I’m sure most of you have heard about the complete fool NBC’s Bob Costas made of himself on Sunday Night Football when he conducted his own gun control infomercial at halftime. For those of you that didn’t see it, here he is quoting, promoting, and agreeing with an anti-2nd Amendment article from Jason Whitlock:
Costas: In the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in Kansas City, that most mindless of sports clichés was heard yet again, ‘Something like this really puts it all in perspective.’ Well if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective we have supposedly again regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. Please.
Those who need tragedies to continually recalibrate their sense of proportion about sports, would seem to have little hope of ever truly achieving perspective. You want some actual perspective on this? Well a bit of it comes from the Kansas City-based writer Jason Whitlock, with whom I do not always agree, but, who today, said it so well that we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article.
“Our current gun culture,” Whitlock wrote, “ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead. Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. In the coming days, Jovan Belcher’s actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. Who knows? But here, wrote Jason Whitlock, is what I believe: “If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today.”
Of course the Whitlock article which Costas was promoting has even more projection than the nonsensical argument that handguns “exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it.” that Costas was spewing. Whitlock’s personal opinion is, of course, that had Belcher not owned a gun, none of this would have happened.
First off, you’ll notice that neither Whitlock or Costas actually proposed any actual solutions. Do either one of them have any specific remedies for the vague ‘gun culture’ they describe? Do they want extremely tough gun laws? They want all handguns banned? What do they want?
Like most anti-Second Amendment, they describe a problem only as they see it, project that blame onto others, and then attempt to pin the actions of few on everyone else.
You can see it in what Whitlock wrote and Costas was more than happy to repeat it for him. Who exactly are these people they’re talking about? Who are these people that handguns tempt into escalating arguments? Who are these people who handguns lead into confrontation? Who are they? Who is this ‘us’ he keeps referring to? Anyone know?
Of course, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out this giant nugget of fail from Whitlock regarding whether or not we’d focus on his belief that, had Belcher not owned a gun, none of this happens:
But we won’t. We’ll watch Sunday’s game and comfort ourselves with the false belief we’re incapable of the wickedness that exploded inside Jovan Belcher Saturday morning.
The entire argument put forth by these two really boils down to the fact that because some folks commit crimes and do stupid things with guns, they should outlaw them. They don’t specifically say that, but that’s what they want. They use words like “we’ and “us” because unless they are able to paint every person who possesses a gun with the actions of Jovan Belcher, they know they’re full of it and so does anyone capable of an objective thought.
Oh, and that contention that, had he not had a gun, none of this would have happened? I offer this:
Man Kills Woman, Father Then Self in Bow-and-Arrow Attack
A Vernon resident drove to Casper, Wyo., and fatally stabbed a female college professor outside of her home before shooting his father with a bow and arrow and then killing himself in a Casper College classroom on Friday morning, police said.
Christopher Krumm, 25, who lived at 24 Grove St., Vernon, was the son of computer science instructor James Krumm, 56. Police said Chris Krumm shot his father in the head with an arrow in front of a room of four to six students before stabbing himself with a knife.
Imagine that. Somehow, this guy managed to kill two people and himself without the aid of a handgun. Would Whitlock and Costas like knives and bow and arrows banned as well? Did those items cause this man to ‘embrace conflict’ or ‘exacerbate his flaws?’ What else do we need to ban? Where does it end?
Look, if Jason Whitlock and Bob Costas feel like guns might make them ‘embrace conflict’ or “escalate confrontations’ maybe they shouldn’t own one? If they think their own personal flaws would be so ‘exacerbated’ by the mere possession of one they’d kill people? Maybe they shouldn’t own one?
As for me, I’ll make that decision for myself. Now, if Mr. Whitlock and Mr. Costas wanna go ahead and try to get that pesky 2nd Amendment repealed? They should give it a go. When they’re done with that? They can then can begin the process of getting them outlawed.
I just love the arrogance that exists in people like you. You think yourself above another. Like you are infallible, unable to be corrupted. I grew up as redneck as anyone. We owned more firearms than most sporting good stores. I have never known anyone to own a firearm and not feel impowered by it. Whatever. People like you are what is wrong with the world. And Jason Whitlock doesn’t own a gun. Neither do I. I don’t because I know that I would use one if I had one. I also know that head injuries, depression, antidepressants, and baby mama drama can get to anyone. If you don’t think those things could affect you than you’re just delusional. I suppose subclimates not changing either
Honestly, after spending 7 winters in Guatamala during the 1980s and witnessing Civil War first hand, I’m not sure where I stand on gun control and I curiously find myself often agreeing with both sides of the argument. What troubles me is that most people who are the most outspoken about resisting a public dialogue about gun violence in America, who agitate for 2nd amendment rights do not extend that same logic to gay marriage, marijuana legalization and other civil liberties. Just saying . . . we’ve got a problem that needs to be discussed not shouted down. The recent events in KC are ALL about football in the media, very little said about the girlfriend who was shot 9 times?
Costas said it perfectly. Guns ARE the problem. Right wing dolts say if she had a gun everything would’ve been ok. No you mindless RW morons. There would have been 2 dead in that apartment and maybe more.
Ignorant and braindead conservatives are so stupid they believe if everyone in the Aurora movie theater had guns the tragedy wouldn’t have happened. The reality is having 200 people firing guns in a dark & smoke-filled theater would’ve killed almost everyone in the theater.
It’s sad conservatives are so infinitely ignorant and stupid. In study after study with well-trained professionals like cops they all have demonstrated during a crisis they would shoot the wrong person. But studies, facts and reality have no room in a conservative’s ‘brain’. They need their guns to prove their manhood.
Sadly, the calibers of conservatives’ guns are equal to their low IQs, not many over 32 or 45. Most are 22. While they worship their guns like their penises these same dolts claim to be Christians, totally oblivious to the fact Jesus would never carry a gun. Conservatives claiming to be Christians have zero faith in Jesus and are fake Christians. Hell, their only love are their beloved guns they need to raise their diminished egos.
Any person who needs a gun for their self worth are just one moment away from being on the evening news as the murderer of another human being or group of people. But in their gross ignorance they don’t care. They WANT altercations so they can pull out their guns and begin firing wildly because they don’t have the brains, reasoning ability and rational adult abilities to resolve issues in a sane and non-violent manner.
Infantile conservative gun addicts and the corrupt NRA are responsible for every gun death in America. The blood of each of their victims, men, women, children & babies, are on their hands. But they don’t care because they don’t have the aptitude or the common sense to act like responsible adults. and they certainly are devoid of any compassion for the victims of their beloved guns.
This isn’t the 1800′s anymore. The days of militias are over. While everyone has the constitutional right to ‘bear arms’ our founding fathers did not have semi-automatic rifles or high powered hand guns in mind when scripting the second amendment.
Comparing gun deaths to spoons making people fat is unequivocal and makes any idiot using the comparison instantly lose credit. The facts are simple, America is number one in fire arm deaths out of any other first world country.
There is not another man made product that can be bought over the counter that is so easy to use and so deadly. The solution is to be found in a consensus between 2nd amendment advocates and those who want sensible gun control. I myself enjoyed shooting in college and would not want to limit my or any one else’s access to fire arms. But in a sane society there simply must be a way to keep a deadly weapon out of the hands of those who are potentially toxic to themselves and others in society. Does the ease of obtaining a fire arm un-vetted really make sense in our present day society? What do we tell a child who will grow up without parents that it was her father’s right to own and use a fire arm during an emotionally charged and mentally stressful domestic disagreement where a cogent decision and had a low probability outcome. It is always so easy to pull a trigger in an anger reflex than to think, after that it’s late. I am tired of NRA stooges hijacking the argument as if they were experts when they are just touting the industry line.
The only intelligent comment writer on this page is RB. The rest are liberal lemmings who also no doubt voted twice for Barack Obama, the Marxist whose goal it is to reduce the United States to a European-style socialist poverty state.
There is nothing I enjoy more than a tolerant, open minded liberal deconstructing an argument based on logic rather than emotion, labels, and name calling.
Thank you, LaPierre Isinsane.
#not
I’m going to share an interesting story told by the mayor of my town.
Kathy and I were just talking about World issues..no surprise. I reminded her of my conversation with a waitress at a local coffee shop. With her ( waitress) European accent I asked her what country she was from. She said Germany. Her being older, I said ‘were you there during the war. She said ‘yes’. With that, she said “I was very young, don’t you ever give up your Religion or your guns, that is what Hitler took from us”. Friends, we had better take a lesson.
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.” –Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942
“Comparing gun deaths to spoons making people fat is unequivocal and makes any idiot using the comparison instantly lose credit” I ask you to validate this statement. Its a comparison reducing guns to what they are: Tools, just like spoons. Also, “the easily accessible empty calorie, high fat convenience foods at the market made me fat” doesn’t really fit on a poster.
Guns are not the problem, humans are. Murder has been part of human history for its entirety. We have continually developed methods to increase its ease, but from sticks and swords to guns and bombs, the only common element is the hands holding them.
Our forefathers had guns of higher caliber and requiring more powder than the majority of guns in circulation today. Developments have only addressed accuracy and speed of reloading, with an emphasis on the last.
The notion that the Militia should go away is asinine. Just as the notion that the Militia is here solely to protect the populous from an invading army, that’s what the military is for. Our forefathers fought not against a foreign military but their own. It was the militia, common men that rose up guns in hand against a tyrannical government. This is the purpose; the militia as a requirement of a “free state”. Our forefathers agreed that “a people should not fear its government, but the government should fear its people”.
America is number one in firearms deaths, does speak at the ease of firearm accessibility but that is not the issue. The issue lies within, it is the people with the guns not the guns. It is what a man does with a gun that makes him a hero or a monster, not that he has one. We need to fix ourselves at a basic level; To teach that violence is not the only answer and never the first one.
Would a parent be satisfied with a doctor who only gave a fever reducer to a child that came in every week with a fever? No they would demand an answer to the cause not just a treatment to the symptom. Guns are the symptom not the cause. treat them and the sickness will return. We need to attack the cause. What is true of a parents expectation of a doctor should hold true to a citizen’s expectation of the government.
This only helps to confirm that liberals are not critical thinkers. They are intellectually lazy in every solution to a problem. Poverty:more government, gun violence:take away guns. How long will it take before our idiot president exploits this situation.
Costas and Whitlock live in the USA-free speech rules. If u don’t like it, change the channel. The only criticism I have is they did not cite the root of the problem which is mental health which our country suffers from in a big way. Throw Goodell under the bus. He endorses a useless football game for money instead of taking a time out to admit his leagues woeful condition-10 suicides since 2010. How many organizations would we condemn with stats like that? No free pass for the NFL, who’s the next Junior Seau, dave Duerson or Jovan Belcher? How many more people will Goodell and Jerry Jones kill before someone blows the whistle on them? Irresponsible white-collar crime in a big way. Lock them up and throw away the key.
I remember when the Hutu groups conducted mass killings of Tutsi’s! They used clubs, machetes, etc./whatever it took to get the job done!! No one needs a gun to kill someone, they just need the mindset!!!
And so it begins again… the libs, that think we would all sing around a campfire smoking a joint and living the high life if only people would give up their guns, come running out of the woodwork to paint any gun related situation as a gun existence problem.
How in the name of God can you honestly say that disarming law abiding citizens would make this world a safer place? You are wanting to take away a persons right to defend themselves and make the attack/fight a lopsided one with the attacker having the only gun? Maybe if we pass the law, the criminals will give up their guns too! Or maybe banning guns would have kept Jevon from killing his girlfriend and himself. Well with that logic, we should ban knives so they can’t stab themselves, rope so they can’t hang themselves, cars AND cliffs so they can’t drive off of them, HANDS so they can’t strangle anyone, baseball bats or any other blunt, hard object so they can’t beat anyone else, electricity and hair dryers so they can’t drop them in the tub and electrocute themselves (maybe just banning electricity would be better)… do I need to keep going?
I swear that this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of SEVERELY, knowledge challenged people like Costas and Whitlock and the anti-gun libs. We have lost common sense in every form. Both the common part and definitely the sense!
Costas subverted the Constitution? By freely speaking? The FCC well-regulates him and his company. The ambulance driver was well-regulated by the DMV. The EMT’s well-regulated by several medical review certification qualifiers. The mortician’s even have a robust level of continual oversight. None of THEIR regulatory regimes are expressly mentioned in our constitution. But gun responsibilities ARE. One presumes Belcher MAY have been focused on homeland security just to give you gun-nuts some cover, intellectually speaking, as you guys are impressive Con-law scholars. He may have been wearing a tri-corn hat to fade into the background, so as not to be too egregious to the marauding British red-coats making their way to Arrowhead stadium. Keep your guns at the armory indi-fascists. You’ll be safe and our beloved Constitution upheld. Y’all got any opinions about Glass-Steegle or Plessy Vs. Ferguson? You almost seem ready for ruminations about the 3/5 compromise and cipherin’ thought like that. Hey to Goob and Aunt Bea!
The liberals on this board are so obvious. A guy who shoots a woman 9 times could as easily pick up a baseball bat and beat her to death. The gun didn’t kill Perkins, Belcher killed Perkins. Jason Whitlock? Maybe he needs to lay off the pizza and french fries or he will find himself on the table getting a quad bypass. Look in the mirror Jason, and when you clean up your arteries, you can lecture us.
If only OJ didn’t shoot his ex-wife with that knife. And we can all be thankful nobody else was injured when Chris Benoir went on a shooting rampage with his home gym.
Has anyone read several articles on this event? Has anyone seen the police response to this? If not I just want to point out that Javon and Kasandra argued at 1am after she came home late from a concert. However, she was not shot until 7:50am. That’s about 5-6hrs of cooling off time Javon had to consider his actions and consequences of his actions. I think this was an unfortunate argument gone too far and too sour, but he still had the intention of killing her. Afterwards he drove to the stadium to confess to his role models, because he probably felt he needed to confess to someone. I will not be surprised if they are called to be a witness if police want to further investigate why this happened. The fact that Kasandra’s mother witness the whole thing and was not killed herself shows that Javon was just after Kasandra. I just wanted to add something else to the discussion.
As for the gun control or advocacy debate; I guess I side more with the “conservative” side. But then again why must be group our decisions on “conservative” and “liberal” Just because I agree on one point on one side of the political spectrum does not make me a “bleeding heart liberal” or “red-blooded conservative” I believe in the 2nd Amendment’s right for everyone to bear arms. However i like the added stipulation that people who do have to go through a criminal background check and must have all their weapons registered with the police. People like to say that stricter gun laws lead to a safer America and that this is shown internationally. But those people forget to take into account that America is a violent culture and that taking away guns will not solve the problem, it will just take away a tool to use. RB is correct in saying that criminals already don’t follow the law, so why punish the people obeying it. What we need to do is advocate change to access to weapons, not just banning them.
Ignorant footballer is what killed his girlfriend and himself.
He would have done her in with a knife if need be and either hung himself or found another way to kill himself.
Or he would have gone to jail.
Anti gunners are all the same. Same old insults same old retoric.
I am a former marine sniper. The bottom line is the prevalence of guns makes gun crime an issue. In 1993 there were over 1 million gun crimes. In 2009 there were 326,810 gun crimes with 9300 fatalities from those crimes. This doesn’t mean that the other people didn’t get shot, it just means they didn’t die. We have 37,542 drug deaths a year and drugs are illegal because of it. The idea that drugs are illegal because we kill ourselves with them, but guns aren’t because we kill others is outrageous. Sure, get caught with drugs and go to jail. Do drugs and maybe you do other crimes. Own a gun and the possibility of shooting someone goes up 100%. This doesn’t mean you will, but you could. Having said this, I don’t think we should outlaw guns since the 2nd amendment is so perverted in interpretation and the argument that guns don’t kill people – people kill people is irreconcilable. I propose we outlaw ammunition. Sure guns don’t kill people, but the bullet hole is the direct cause of the injury/death. Anyone caught with handgun ammunition who is not law enforcement on the job should be sentenced to prison, like drug criminals are.
Bad people do bad things to good people with what ever tool they have at their disposal. You MORONS who think any type of control is good has just proven yourselves to be clueless, naive, and ONLY think emotionally, selfishly, and never rationally. Why in the world would any of you think for one second that gun control of any type would make our country any safer? Do you even know what the 2nd Amendment to YOUR Constitution is even about? Obviously NOT! Oh, and but the way ….. LaPierre, you need to go back and READ your Bible if you have one before you open your mouth! For you other mindless idiots on this post ….. I’m glad you DONT have guns! It interesting, Bob Costas owns and carry’s a gun for his self protection!
Wow, I am stunned at how ignorant and rhetorically brain dead some of these “liberal elite” posters are on here. The USA has by far and away the most total firearms in our country compared to anywhere else at 270 million. Per 100 US residents, that avgs out to about 88 theoretically own a firearm (obviously many gun owners own more than one gun so that avg is slightly inflated). Yet, the USA Homicide by Firearm rate per 100,000 is a measly 2.7. Compare that to the US Motor Vehicle Death Rate per 100,000 of 11.7!
People murder people. Whether it is with a gun, a knife, a bow & arrow, or their fists. Murder is already illegal, and it has been proven time and time again, that you take away gun ownership rights, the criminals that commit most of the gun crimes in the world will still have their guns. These horrific violent gun crimes receive a lot of national and global press when they happen, making it seem like people in America are getting popped off all over the place. The fact of the matter is, even WITH 270 Million guns floating around the USA, you are far more likely to die in an auto crash than you are by a firearm. 110 people a day in the US, die from an auto related accident. While (after taking out suicides by gun, which accounts for over 50% of all gun deaths in the US every year) 34 people are killed every day from either a homicide or accidental discharge of a weapon.
Taking guns away will not solve the age long epidemic of human beings murdering each other. If someone wants to kill someone they can easily accomplish it without purchasing a firearm, as the recent bow & arrow attack and the show Snapped have shown.
LaPierre Isinsane: You are an absolute moron who has no idea what they are talking about. More guns ultimately prevent crime. If only someone could have used a gun to prevent Belcher from doing what he did or preventing the Colorado shooting. So what is your solution? No one is allowed to own a gun and the victims just have to take it? It is actually you who are brain dean since you think that the government, in its infinate wisdom, can just confiscate more of our guns and reduce the amount of crime. Statistics continue to prove otherwise. It is actually the left that mindlessly has faith in the government to protect us from ourselves. This is why it is the left that is anti-Christian, not the right as you stupidly claim. In the warped world of the left, the government assumes the God-like power to write a few freedom restricting laws and create a safer society. Conservatives are smart enough to know better.
How can you argue the gun issue. There are literally thousands of deaths each year in our cities from gun violence. Thousands!!!! It is the handgun that makes these murders so convenient. People argue over the dumbest things and it is the availability of guns that enables them to express their anger in the pull of a trigger. I have seen way too much of it. Ban handguns and the violence will drop dramatically. And please, do not use the second amendment argument. That worked in the 1700′s when the government had the same limited capability, but if you suggest that we need our guns to protect us from the government wake up. The government has so many weapons that your .45 would offer little help if they really wanted to take over completely.
@Richard
List of products easier to purchase OTC and use to kill than guns include:
Knives
Bleach
Baseball Bat
Tylenol
Propane Tank
Used Car
Bowling Ball
Razor Blade
Screw Driver
Drill
Crowabar
Of course many more exist. To think this incidednt wouldn’t have hasppened it hour a gun is pure foolishness. Murder suicides happen in many ways in the world weithout guns!
Here we go again….Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. he would have either got a gun anyways-despite any law OR killed her in another way. It was a matter of time and opportunity. Look at any other gun restrictive city and the crime rate will be the same or higher. Despite laws, people will kill people-guns or otherwise. Do not think that “gun control” will control gun violence.
@Frank
you are clearly clueless when it comes to warfare. True is someone wanted our land, just the land, the high power destructive at the hands of any military is nigh unopposable by us mere civilians. No one wants this, they want the people. To own the people you must fight and oppress the people. If you think a .45 or a .223 is ineffective against a soldier in armed conflict you are just ignorant. Full auto doesn’t compensate against well placed shots, or an enemy that blends in to the people youare trying not to kill. Even the best military tactics fall to overwhelming odds. 20 soldiers against 2000 armed milita results in one thing: 20 dead soldiers. The Chinese army has even been quoted to this effect. Look up “a gun behind every blade of grass” if you want more.
@Karl
again cars and cigarettes kill more people every year than guns.
@Mr “former marine sniper”
“Own a gun and the possibility of shooting someone goes up 100%” you discredit your service with this statement Sir. I will agree never pick up a gun and you can never kill with one. However your statement says that every gun owner either has or will kill someone. I most certianly have not, nor has anyone I know. To have some one serve so vallantly, just to piss on that which he protected is insulting to the Corps and to the Bone. As a sniper you should know that the gun is the tool not the man. Even more did they not instill in you that you yourself are in part tool as wielded by the government to protect our way of life, as a way to tackle the ethics of killing in the line of duty? I will do you a service sir and not repost your comments in a place where any of the Corps could see it.
There is so much wrong with the Costas/Whitlock/many other fools’ position.
Who can say they would be alive if he Belcher didn’t have a gun? He couldn’t have crushed her head against the wall? Stabbed her with a kitchen knife? Bash her skull with a pipe? Run her down with a car? Are you going to ban all those too?
And just who are Bob Costas and Jason Whitlock to decide which parts of the Constitution are good for us and which are not? How exactly will removing the second amendment expand our freedom and liberty?
What about all the people that save their lives and the lives of others with guns? Where are their stories? They must not fit the narrative. Are they part of the “us” that “have their flaws exacerbated, are tempted to escalate arguments, and baited into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it?”
And, as RB points out so well, law abiding citizens will obey gun laws… criminals, by definition, will not.
The fact here is that no gun jumped up all by itself and hurt anyone. A deranged person used a gun to kill his girlfriend during an argument (maybe ban arguing?) and then turned the gun on himself.
There was a long series of poor decisions stemming from bad judgement and lack of discipline that led to this tragedy. The blame was not in the machine used to carry out the acts. Costas and Whitlock should apologize.
Whitlock states “Handguns do not enhance our safety”. I see no citation or reference to statistics. It is really annoying when people state opinion as fact and he obviously has not checked the facts. Yes people do stupid things with guns and drunk drivers do stupid things with cars. You don’t hear it from the main stream media but there are volumes of police reports showing that people stop crimes with guns, often without firing a shot.
So yes you can say “guns kill people” and I can say “guns keep people from getting killed, robbed, raped, etc.
Forty states have more vehicle deaths per year than gun deaths, so should we not outlaw cars too?
But in a sane society there simply must be a way to keep a deadly weapon out of the hands of those who are potentially toxic to themselves and others in society.
The problem is that the vast majority of gun murders aren’t being committed with legally purchased weapons. They’re more likely to be black market, and often they’re being wielded by felons who shouldn’t have them in the first place, by law.
New laws aren’t going to frustrate people who aren’t obeying the current ones.
Guns and brave Americans are what made our country free. The 2nd Amendment gives Americans the opportunity to preserve and protect a free America. Freedom is not Free Mr. Costas. Like it or not there are bad guys Foriegn and Domestic that want to take our freedoms away. That’s why our forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. Our forefathers predicted this over 200 years ago. If you don’t like the 2nd Amendment then leave the country.
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Here is how it is. What if a good law obiding citizen had a hand gun and saw this take place, and neutralized the situation with a handgun and saved her life? Would you convict for murder or praise for saving a life? I carry a gun praying to walk into a situation like this not to kill but to save the innocent . I would do it for anyone if a life could be spared at the toll of the death of some one trying to take it I would no questions asked!!!!!!
Good lord. Media Matters has sent the bots out in force on this thread. The guy that claimed he was a Marine Sniper, who apparently wants to ban all guns- READ THE CONSTITUTION- you don’t get to do that. The government doesn’t get to do that. If there is any civil right more clear than the right for the public to bear arms, I am unaware of it. Even the 1st Amendment has some wiggle room. To hear a guy who alleges he’s a former Marine (I question whether that’s true or not- anyone can make up anything on the internet) advocate taking guns away from everyone would make my Marine father puke. What a disgrace.
Ask yourself this – do you want to be armed when confronted with rioting thugs? Or would you prefer to simply plead for mercy, as they kill you. I prefer to be armed and prepared. Personally, I think the gun advocacy is simply a cover for liberals who resent the fact that their enemies, conservatives, are armed, while they themselves are not. Liberals recognize guns are one of the primary reasons their complete takeover of this country will never happen.
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I just love the arrogance that exists in people like you. You think yourself above another. Like you are infallible, unable to be corrupted. I grew up as redneck as anyone. We owned more firearms than most sporting good stores. I have never known anyone to own a firearm and not feel impowered by it. Whatever. People like you are what is wrong with the world. And Jason Whitlock doesn’t own a gun. Neither do I. I don’t because I know that I would use one if I had one. I also know that head injuries, depression, antidepressants, and baby mama drama can get to anyone. If you don’t think those things could affect you than you’re just delusional. I suppose subclimates not changing either
Honestly, after spending 7 winters in Guatamala during the 1980s and witnessing Civil War first hand, I’m not sure where I stand on gun control and I curiously find myself often agreeing with both sides of the argument. What troubles me is that most people who are the most outspoken about resisting a public dialogue about gun violence in America, who agitate for 2nd amendment rights do not extend that same logic to gay marriage, marijuana legalization and other civil liberties. Just saying . . . we’ve got a problem that needs to be discussed not shouted down. The recent events in KC are ALL about football in the media, very little said about the girlfriend who was shot 9 times?
Costas said it perfectly. Guns ARE the problem. Right wing dolts say if she had a gun everything would’ve been ok. No you mindless RW morons. There would have been 2 dead in that apartment and maybe more.
Ignorant and braindead conservatives are so stupid they believe if everyone in the Aurora movie theater had guns the tragedy wouldn’t have happened. The reality is having 200 people firing guns in a dark & smoke-filled theater would’ve killed almost everyone in the theater.
It’s sad conservatives are so infinitely ignorant and stupid. In study after study with well-trained professionals like cops they all have demonstrated during a crisis they would shoot the wrong person. But studies, facts and reality have no room in a conservative’s ‘brain’. They need their guns to prove their manhood.
Sadly, the calibers of conservatives’ guns are equal to their low IQs, not many over 32 or 45. Most are 22. While they worship their guns like their penises these same dolts claim to be Christians, totally oblivious to the fact Jesus would never carry a gun. Conservatives claiming to be Christians have zero faith in Jesus and are fake Christians. Hell, their only love are their beloved guns they need to raise their diminished egos.
Any person who needs a gun for their self worth are just one moment away from being on the evening news as the murderer of another human being or group of people. But in their gross ignorance they don’t care. They WANT altercations so they can pull out their guns and begin firing wildly because they don’t have the brains, reasoning ability and rational adult abilities to resolve issues in a sane and non-violent manner.
Infantile conservative gun addicts and the corrupt NRA are responsible for every gun death in America. The blood of each of their victims, men, women, children & babies, are on their hands. But they don’t care because they don’t have the aptitude or the common sense to act like responsible adults. and they certainly are devoid of any compassion for the victims of their beloved guns.
This isn’t the 1800′s anymore. The days of militias are over. While everyone has the constitutional right to ‘bear arms’ our founding fathers did not have semi-automatic rifles or high powered hand guns in mind when scripting the second amendment.
Comparing gun deaths to spoons making people fat is unequivocal and makes any idiot using the comparison instantly lose credit. The facts are simple, America is number one in fire arm deaths out of any other first world country.
There is not another man made product that can be bought over the counter that is so easy to use and so deadly. The solution is to be found in a consensus between 2nd amendment advocates and those who want sensible gun control. I myself enjoyed shooting in college and would not want to limit my or any one else’s access to fire arms. But in a sane society there simply must be a way to keep a deadly weapon out of the hands of those who are potentially toxic to themselves and others in society. Does the ease of obtaining a fire arm un-vetted really make sense in our present day society? What do we tell a child who will grow up without parents that it was her father’s right to own and use a fire arm during an emotionally charged and mentally stressful domestic disagreement where a cogent decision and had a low probability outcome. It is always so easy to pull a trigger in an anger reflex than to think, after that it’s late. I am tired of NRA stooges hijacking the argument as if they were experts when they are just touting the industry line.
Dear people on this thread looking to ban guns,
How would the government go about removing the guns that are already out there from people’s homes?
Secondly, do you think criminals would disarm themselves when their potential victims are busy disarming themselves?
Third, you’re all morons.
Boring.
everayone is dum for thinkin we ned to ban hanguns. i need ma gun to shoot squirels and pigins that cum on ma farm. yeehaw!
The only intelligent comment writer on this page is RB. The rest are liberal lemmings who also no doubt voted twice for Barack Obama, the Marxist whose goal it is to reduce the United States to a European-style socialist poverty state.
RB wins.
There is nothing I enjoy more than a tolerant, open minded liberal deconstructing an argument based on logic rather than emotion, labels, and name calling.
Thank you, LaPierre Isinsane.
#not
I’m going to share an interesting story told by the mayor of my town.
Kathy and I were just talking about World issues..no surprise. I reminded her of my conversation with a waitress at a local coffee shop. With her ( waitress) European accent I asked her what country she was from. She said Germany. Her being older, I said ‘were you there during the war. She said ‘yes’. With that, she said “I was very young, don’t you ever give up your Religion or your guns, that is what Hitler took from us”. Friends, we had better take a lesson.
Crime rates are next to nothing for CCW permit holders. Clearly, what we need to do is increase the number of CCW permit holders in our society.
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.” –Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942
“Comparing gun deaths to spoons making people fat is unequivocal and makes any idiot using the comparison instantly lose credit” I ask you to validate this statement. Its a comparison reducing guns to what they are: Tools, just like spoons. Also, “the easily accessible empty calorie, high fat convenience foods at the market made me fat” doesn’t really fit on a poster.
Guns are not the problem, humans are. Murder has been part of human history for its entirety. We have continually developed methods to increase its ease, but from sticks and swords to guns and bombs, the only common element is the hands holding them.
Our forefathers had guns of higher caliber and requiring more powder than the majority of guns in circulation today. Developments have only addressed accuracy and speed of reloading, with an emphasis on the last.
The notion that the Militia should go away is asinine. Just as the notion that the Militia is here solely to protect the populous from an invading army, that’s what the military is for. Our forefathers fought not against a foreign military but their own. It was the militia, common men that rose up guns in hand against a tyrannical government. This is the purpose; the militia as a requirement of a “free state”. Our forefathers agreed that “a people should not fear its government, but the government should fear its people”.
America is number one in firearms deaths, does speak at the ease of firearm accessibility but that is not the issue. The issue lies within, it is the people with the guns not the guns. It is what a man does with a gun that makes him a hero or a monster, not that he has one. We need to fix ourselves at a basic level; To teach that violence is not the only answer and never the first one.
Would a parent be satisfied with a doctor who only gave a fever reducer to a child that came in every week with a fever? No they would demand an answer to the cause not just a treatment to the symptom. Guns are the symptom not the cause. treat them and the sickness will return. We need to attack the cause. What is true of a parents expectation of a doctor should hold true to a citizen’s expectation of the government.
This only helps to confirm that liberals are not critical thinkers. They are intellectually lazy in every solution to a problem. Poverty:more government, gun violence:take away guns. How long will it take before our idiot president exploits this situation.
Costas and Whitlock live in the USA-free speech rules. If u don’t like it, change the channel. The only criticism I have is they did not cite the root of the problem which is mental health which our country suffers from in a big way. Throw Goodell under the bus. He endorses a useless football game for money instead of taking a time out to admit his leagues woeful condition-10 suicides since 2010. How many organizations would we condemn with stats like that? No free pass for the NFL, who’s the next Junior Seau, dave Duerson or Jovan Belcher? How many more people will Goodell and Jerry Jones kill before someone blows the whistle on them? Irresponsible white-collar crime in a big way. Lock them up and throw away the key.
I remember when the Hutu groups conducted mass killings of Tutsi’s! They used clubs, machetes, etc./whatever it took to get the job done!! No one needs a gun to kill someone, they just need the mindset!!!
And so it begins again… the libs, that think we would all sing around a campfire smoking a joint and living the high life if only people would give up their guns, come running out of the woodwork to paint any gun related situation as a gun existence problem.
How in the name of God can you honestly say that disarming law abiding citizens would make this world a safer place? You are wanting to take away a persons right to defend themselves and make the attack/fight a lopsided one with the attacker having the only gun? Maybe if we pass the law, the criminals will give up their guns too! Or maybe banning guns would have kept Jevon from killing his girlfriend and himself. Well with that logic, we should ban knives so they can’t stab themselves, rope so they can’t hang themselves, cars AND cliffs so they can’t drive off of them, HANDS so they can’t strangle anyone, baseball bats or any other blunt, hard object so they can’t beat anyone else, electricity and hair dryers so they can’t drop them in the tub and electrocute themselves (maybe just banning electricity would be better)… do I need to keep going?
I swear that this country is going to hell in a handbasket because of SEVERELY, knowledge challenged people like Costas and Whitlock and the anti-gun libs. We have lost common sense in every form. Both the common part and definitely the sense!
@Richard
There is not another man made product that can be bought over the counter that is so easy to use and so deadly.
Wrong
Cigarettes
Costas subverted the Constitution? By freely speaking? The FCC well-regulates him and his company. The ambulance driver was well-regulated by the DMV. The EMT’s well-regulated by several medical review certification qualifiers. The mortician’s even have a robust level of continual oversight. None of THEIR regulatory regimes are expressly mentioned in our constitution. But gun responsibilities ARE. One presumes Belcher MAY have been focused on homeland security just to give you gun-nuts some cover, intellectually speaking, as you guys are impressive Con-law scholars. He may have been wearing a tri-corn hat to fade into the background, so as not to be too egregious to the marauding British red-coats making their way to Arrowhead stadium. Keep your guns at the armory indi-fascists. You’ll be safe and our beloved Constitution upheld. Y’all got any opinions about Glass-Steegle or Plessy Vs. Ferguson? You almost seem ready for ruminations about the 3/5 compromise and cipherin’ thought like that. Hey to Goob and Aunt Bea!
The liberals on this board are so obvious. A guy who shoots a woman 9 times could as easily pick up a baseball bat and beat her to death. The gun didn’t kill Perkins, Belcher killed Perkins. Jason Whitlock? Maybe he needs to lay off the pizza and french fries or he will find himself on the table getting a quad bypass. Look in the mirror Jason, and when you clean up your arteries, you can lecture us.
If only OJ didn’t shoot his ex-wife with that knife. And we can all be thankful nobody else was injured when Chris Benoir went on a shooting rampage with his home gym.
Has anyone read several articles on this event? Has anyone seen the police response to this? If not I just want to point out that Javon and Kasandra argued at 1am after she came home late from a concert. However, she was not shot until 7:50am. That’s about 5-6hrs of cooling off time Javon had to consider his actions and consequences of his actions. I think this was an unfortunate argument gone too far and too sour, but he still had the intention of killing her. Afterwards he drove to the stadium to confess to his role models, because he probably felt he needed to confess to someone. I will not be surprised if they are called to be a witness if police want to further investigate why this happened. The fact that Kasandra’s mother witness the whole thing and was not killed herself shows that Javon was just after Kasandra. I just wanted to add something else to the discussion.
As for the gun control or advocacy debate; I guess I side more with the “conservative” side. But then again why must be group our decisions on “conservative” and “liberal” Just because I agree on one point on one side of the political spectrum does not make me a “bleeding heart liberal” or “red-blooded conservative” I believe in the 2nd Amendment’s right for everyone to bear arms. However i like the added stipulation that people who do have to go through a criminal background check and must have all their weapons registered with the police. People like to say that stricter gun laws lead to a safer America and that this is shown internationally. But those people forget to take into account that America is a violent culture and that taking away guns will not solve the problem, it will just take away a tool to use. RB is correct in saying that criminals already don’t follow the law, so why punish the people obeying it. What we need to do is advocate change to access to weapons, not just banning them.
Ignorant footballer is what killed his girlfriend and himself.
He would have done her in with a knife if need be and either hung himself or found another way to kill himself.
Or he would have gone to jail.
Anti gunners are all the same. Same old insults same old retoric.
I am a former marine sniper. The bottom line is the prevalence of guns makes gun crime an issue. In 1993 there were over 1 million gun crimes. In 2009 there were 326,810 gun crimes with 9300 fatalities from those crimes. This doesn’t mean that the other people didn’t get shot, it just means they didn’t die. We have 37,542 drug deaths a year and drugs are illegal because of it. The idea that drugs are illegal because we kill ourselves with them, but guns aren’t because we kill others is outrageous. Sure, get caught with drugs and go to jail. Do drugs and maybe you do other crimes. Own a gun and the possibility of shooting someone goes up 100%. This doesn’t mean you will, but you could. Having said this, I don’t think we should outlaw guns since the 2nd amendment is so perverted in interpretation and the argument that guns don’t kill people – people kill people is irreconcilable. I propose we outlaw ammunition. Sure guns don’t kill people, but the bullet hole is the direct cause of the injury/death. Anyone caught with handgun ammunition who is not law enforcement on the job should be sentenced to prison, like drug criminals are.
Bad people do bad things to good people with what ever tool they have at their disposal. You MORONS who think any type of control is good has just proven yourselves to be clueless, naive, and ONLY think emotionally, selfishly, and never rationally. Why in the world would any of you think for one second that gun control of any type would make our country any safer? Do you even know what the 2nd Amendment to YOUR Constitution is even about? Obviously NOT! Oh, and but the way ….. LaPierre, you need to go back and READ your Bible if you have one before you open your mouth! For you other mindless idiots on this post ….. I’m glad you DONT have guns! It interesting, Bob Costas owns and carry’s a gun for his self protection!
Wow, I am stunned at how ignorant and rhetorically brain dead some of these “liberal elite” posters are on here. The USA has by far and away the most total firearms in our country compared to anywhere else at 270 million. Per 100 US residents, that avgs out to about 88 theoretically own a firearm (obviously many gun owners own more than one gun so that avg is slightly inflated). Yet, the USA Homicide by Firearm rate per 100,000 is a measly 2.7. Compare that to the US Motor Vehicle Death Rate per 100,000 of 11.7!
People murder people. Whether it is with a gun, a knife, a bow & arrow, or their fists. Murder is already illegal, and it has been proven time and time again, that you take away gun ownership rights, the criminals that commit most of the gun crimes in the world will still have their guns. These horrific violent gun crimes receive a lot of national and global press when they happen, making it seem like people in America are getting popped off all over the place. The fact of the matter is, even WITH 270 Million guns floating around the USA, you are far more likely to die in an auto crash than you are by a firearm. 110 people a day in the US, die from an auto related accident. While (after taking out suicides by gun, which accounts for over 50% of all gun deaths in the US every year) 34 people are killed every day from either a homicide or accidental discharge of a weapon.
Taking guns away will not solve the age long epidemic of human beings murdering each other. If someone wants to kill someone they can easily accomplish it without purchasing a firearm, as the recent bow & arrow attack and the show Snapped have shown.
A news story to note, that many are unaware of, is the potential mass shooting a few weeks before the Aurora CO theater shooting at an Aurora CO church.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html
And others of course (Man stops Stabbing Spree [ppl killing ppl no matter the weapon of choice])
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/07/27/gun_carrying_man_stops_stabbing_spree_in_utah
Many many other stories exist.
LaPierre Isinsane: You are an absolute moron who has no idea what they are talking about. More guns ultimately prevent crime. If only someone could have used a gun to prevent Belcher from doing what he did or preventing the Colorado shooting. So what is your solution? No one is allowed to own a gun and the victims just have to take it? It is actually you who are brain dean since you think that the government, in its infinate wisdom, can just confiscate more of our guns and reduce the amount of crime. Statistics continue to prove otherwise. It is actually the left that mindlessly has faith in the government to protect us from ourselves. This is why it is the left that is anti-Christian, not the right as you stupidly claim. In the warped world of the left, the government assumes the God-like power to write a few freedom restricting laws and create a safer society. Conservatives are smart enough to know better.
How can you argue the gun issue. There are literally thousands of deaths each year in our cities from gun violence. Thousands!!!! It is the handgun that makes these murders so convenient. People argue over the dumbest things and it is the availability of guns that enables them to express their anger in the pull of a trigger. I have seen way too much of it. Ban handguns and the violence will drop dramatically. And please, do not use the second amendment argument. That worked in the 1700′s when the government had the same limited capability, but if you suggest that we need our guns to protect us from the government wake up. The government has so many weapons that your .45 would offer little help if they really wanted to take over completely.
@Richard
List of products easier to purchase OTC and use to kill than guns include:
Knives
Bleach
Baseball Bat
Tylenol
Propane Tank
Used Car
Bowling Ball
Razor Blade
Screw Driver
Drill
Crowabar
Or, just use your fists, they are free after all.
Here are some stories of domestic violence related murders (since the incident in KC was DV related) for you all to catch up on:
http://www.google.com/m?q=man%20kills%20with%20bowling%20ball (outlaw boweling balls?)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2011/10/12/tiffany-startz-woman-accu_n_1007894.html (outlaw woman fists?)
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-02/justice/justice_texas-bleach-deaths_1_bleach-week-of-capital-murder-kimberly-saenz?_s=PM:JUSTICE (outlaw bleach?)
http://www.10news.com/news/police-tennis-umpire-killed-husband-with-coffee-mug (outlaw coffee mugs?)
Of course many more exist. To think this incidednt wouldn’t have hasppened it hour a gun is pure foolishness. Murder suicides happen in many ways in the world weithout guns!
Gun Control is NOT Crime Control, must read.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3083618&page=1#.ULzeIGfa9QQ
Harvard Study: Gun Control is Counterproductive:
http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
Here we go again….Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. he would have either got a gun anyways-despite any law OR killed her in another way. It was a matter of time and opportunity. Look at any other gun restrictive city and the crime rate will be the same or higher. Despite laws, people will kill people-guns or otherwise. Do not think that “gun control” will control gun violence.
@Frank
you are clearly clueless when it comes to warfare. True is someone wanted our land, just the land, the high power destructive at the hands of any military is nigh unopposable by us mere civilians. No one wants this, they want the people. To own the people you must fight and oppress the people. If you think a .45 or a .223 is ineffective against a soldier in armed conflict you are just ignorant. Full auto doesn’t compensate against well placed shots, or an enemy that blends in to the people youare trying not to kill. Even the best military tactics fall to overwhelming odds. 20 soldiers against 2000 armed milita results in one thing: 20 dead soldiers. The Chinese army has even been quoted to this effect. Look up “a gun behind every blade of grass” if you want more.
@Karl
again cars and cigarettes kill more people every year than guns.
@Mr “former marine sniper”
“Own a gun and the possibility of shooting someone goes up 100%” you discredit your service with this statement Sir. I will agree never pick up a gun and you can never kill with one. However your statement says that every gun owner either has or will kill someone. I most certianly have not, nor has anyone I know. To have some one serve so vallantly, just to piss on that which he protected is insulting to the Corps and to the Bone. As a sniper you should know that the gun is the tool not the man. Even more did they not instill in you that you yourself are in part tool as wielded by the government to protect our way of life, as a way to tackle the ethics of killing in the line of duty? I will do you a service sir and not repost your comments in a place where any of the Corps could see it.
There is so much wrong with the Costas/Whitlock/many other fools’ position.
Who can say they would be alive if he Belcher didn’t have a gun? He couldn’t have crushed her head against the wall? Stabbed her with a kitchen knife? Bash her skull with a pipe? Run her down with a car? Are you going to ban all those too?
And just who are Bob Costas and Jason Whitlock to decide which parts of the Constitution are good for us and which are not? How exactly will removing the second amendment expand our freedom and liberty?
What about all the people that save their lives and the lives of others with guns? Where are their stories? They must not fit the narrative. Are they part of the “us” that “have their flaws exacerbated, are tempted to escalate arguments, and baited into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it?”
And, as RB points out so well, law abiding citizens will obey gun laws… criminals, by definition, will not.
The fact here is that no gun jumped up all by itself and hurt anyone. A deranged person used a gun to kill his girlfriend during an argument (maybe ban arguing?) and then turned the gun on himself.
There was a long series of poor decisions stemming from bad judgement and lack of discipline that led to this tragedy. The blame was not in the machine used to carry out the acts. Costas and Whitlock should apologize.
Whitlock states “Handguns do not enhance our safety”. I see no citation or reference to statistics. It is really annoying when people state opinion as fact and he obviously has not checked the facts. Yes people do stupid things with guns and drunk drivers do stupid things with cars. You don’t hear it from the main stream media but there are volumes of police reports showing that people stop crimes with guns, often without firing a shot.
So yes you can say “guns kill people” and I can say “guns keep people from getting killed, robbed, raped, etc.
Forty states have more vehicle deaths per year than gun deaths, so should we not outlaw cars too?
Willie85, you forgot something. A big back of Russet Potatoes could do the job too, and would ultimately reduce obesity in this country……..a two-fer.
If had a tiny penis, I’d buy a gun too!
The problem is that the vast majority of gun murders aren’t being committed with legally purchased weapons. They’re more likely to be black market, and often they’re being wielded by felons who shouldn’t have them in the first place, by law.
New laws aren’t going to frustrate people who aren’t obeying the current ones.
I wonder why he thinks cops carry them.
Guns and brave Americans are what made our country free. The 2nd Amendment gives Americans the opportunity to preserve and protect a free America. Freedom is not Free Mr. Costas. Like it or not there are bad guys Foriegn and Domestic that want to take our freedoms away. That’s why our forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment. Our forefathers predicted this over 200 years ago. If you don’t like the 2nd Amendment then leave the country.
To the gun ownership detractors – here’s one for you
http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/82595/
[...] the problems of handguns in our society, and then there was the backlash to taking away our Second Amendment right to handguns. Third party narratives have surfaced that throw substance abuse and head trauma into [...]
Here is how it is. What if a good law obiding citizen had a hand gun and saw this take place, and neutralized the situation with a handgun and saved her life? Would you convict for murder or praise for saving a life? I carry a gun praying to walk into a situation like this not to kill but to save the innocent . I would do it for anyone if a life could be spared at the toll of the death of some one trying to take it I would no questions asked!!!!!!
Ban Microphones!! If Bob Costas did’nt have a microphone, then he could’nt have said such stupi things.
Good lord. Media Matters has sent the bots out in force on this thread. The guy that claimed he was a Marine Sniper, who apparently wants to ban all guns- READ THE CONSTITUTION- you don’t get to do that. The government doesn’t get to do that. If there is any civil right more clear than the right for the public to bear arms, I am unaware of it. Even the 1st Amendment has some wiggle room. To hear a guy who alleges he’s a former Marine (I question whether that’s true or not- anyone can make up anything on the internet) advocate taking guns away from everyone would make my Marine father puke. What a disgrace.
Ask yourself this – do you want to be armed when confronted with rioting thugs? Or would you prefer to simply plead for mercy, as they kill you. I prefer to be armed and prepared. Personally, I think the gun advocacy is simply a cover for liberals who resent the fact that their enemies, conservatives, are armed, while they themselves are not. Liberals recognize guns are one of the primary reasons their complete takeover of this country will never happen.
Fred, I have no doubt you have a tiny penis. Your wife complains constantly that she’s completely unsatisfied.
……and now there are 20 children dead!