ENOUGH! The GOP Should Give Obama What He Wants
Posted by RB in Blog on November 27, 2012 3:19 pm / 121 comments
Okay, I’ve been watching the negotiations – if you can call Republicans negotiating with themselves while Obama still hasn’t put a plan on the table “negotiating” – over the “Fiscal Cliff” for weeks and it’s time for the GOP to stop before Lucy pulls the football away… again.
Here’s the reality: Obama is willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of giving on tax hikes because he knows the GOP will get blamed for whatever happens if a deal isn’t reached. Republicans simply don’t have the skills to pull off blaming it on Democrats. They also don’t have a complicit media to help explain the reality of who is really holding the economy hostage (aka Obama).
Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – like entitlement reform, but only the promise of reform which we know will never come to fruition – they will predictably get slaughtered for “caving” instead of compromising, which is actually what they’d be doing. Again, the GOP doesn’t have the skill or a complicit media to explain how they compromised while Obama and Democrats didn’t.
We have to fight with the army we have, and right now we don’t have an army. Not in Washington DC, at least. There simply aren’t enough conservatives in positions of power to make anything that would actually work to fix the economy happen. Basically, it’s Paul Ryan and a couple dozen Congressman and Senators who have anything remotely close to a long term solution, but Ryan is the only one with a leadership position and he can’t do squat with Harry Reid as Majority Leader in the Senate.
So what do they do? They’re stuck in a no-win situation. The answer is simple: Give Obama what he wants. All of it. Don’t negotiate. Just say “Put your plan up for a vote and we’ll pass it. You will own everything that happens moving forward. We’ll do it your way.”
People are saying that even if the GOP did what I just said they should do, they would get blamed for the disaster that will ensue. I disagree. Democrats and the media will TRY to blame them, but they will discredit themselves in the process. Obama will have gotten everything he wanted. We know it will fix nothing and probably make things worse, but the GOP will have no part of crafting the bill. Make Democrats do it all. The GOP should just show up and vote for it. Any attempts to claim the GOP influenced the bill, and thereby sharing in the blame, will be debunked by the facts. There will be no way to say “well, this could have worked if only…” because the GOP will not have changed anything. There will be no magical alternative out there that “could have been if only the GOP hadn’t stopped it” line anymore.
Now, this part is the tricky one. From the moment they pass the legislation Obama wants, they must be disciplined in pointing out that every failure of this new law to fix the fiscal and economic problems it was meant to fix was a Democrat / Obama idea. The GOP must be diligent in highlighting how they had zero impact on the final version of the bill. Everything Obama and the Democrats wanted went in without opposition from the GOP. Obama and the Democrats own every single line on every single page.
Over and over and over again, the case will need to be made that the GOP washed their hands of the matter and let Obama and the Democrats have their way to avoid the fiscal cliff. Did you lose your job because of the higher tax rates? The GOP had nothing to do with it. Oh! Are prices higher for everything? The GOP had nothing to do with it. What’s that? Federal revenues didn’t go up? Ask Obama about that, he’s the one who said they’d go up. Etc. Etc. Etc.
It’s time for the country to face the reality of Obamanomics. It’s going to hurt like hell. Some people will never blame Obama and the Democrats for the pain, but they will be in the minority.
Enough is enough.
Bring the pain. We’ll be better off in the long run.
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Well said RB and I’m in FULL AGREEMENT!
PLEASE can you get your fellow bloggers to understand this. This is the only way the GOP has a chance of winning this battle. They can have no part of it or they get the blame.
AGREE! My hope is that all these theatrics are just that…theatrics. If so, when Republicans capitulate and the economy implodes, they’ll have some post-calamity defense.
Correct!!! I’ve been saying this since October and Government scare tactics don’t work on me anymore. Remember TARP, 2009 Stimulus, etc. ? All were supposed to avoid a ‘disaster’ but guess what? The disasters happened anyway.
Remember Alinsky rule #9 – “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
I see the Fiscal Cliff as the same government scare tactic. And even if you disagree, there is no way republicans will come out as the ‘good guys’ on this one. We need to go over the cliff. Let. It. Burn.
http://cosmoscon.com/2012/10/28/government-scare-tactics/
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I am in complete agreement.
Do they even have to vote? Can’t they just let it go through by abstaining or voting present making the case even more that Dems own it and more dramatically claiming the people spoke, the people get what they think they want and the Dems own the whole sinking ship.
You hit the nail on the head. Thank you for articulating the reality of where we find ourselves today. However, I think that the MSM have the power and influence to sway people regardless of what the Republicans do. Short of a national catastrophe I really don’t think people can be convinced to follow the right path. They are determined to destroy themselves.
FULLY AGREE!! Let the country see that by fleecing the rich we still come nowhere close to paying for the spending. It takes the President’s most successful talking point off the table “The rich need to pay their fair share”. Have them pay what the President thinks is their fair share and then when we are no better off and probably worse off, the Republicans can say let us handle this the right way and the American public will by and large agree.
We can’t win the class warfare battle, we should let the President win this battle, it is the only way to win the large government war.
I agree totally with one exception. Republicans should NOT vote “yes” – they should vote “Present”. Then they cannot be accused of voting for the disaster that will ensue.
Effective Jan 1, 2013, aspirin will be taxed under the Obama-Care program.
The explanation was that they are white and work. No other reason was given!
Exactly, give it all away and bring on this terrible lesson this country needs to learn. Done!!!!!
The GOP should not vote for this bill. Instead, they should pull an Obama and vote ‘present’.
I agree, however, the GOP should just all abstain and let the Dems be the only ones who vote – same result but more removed from the event.
Who cares? The United States is over. Get the three B’s you suckers.
The Republicans need to realize that after losing two elections to this fraud,they as a political party are basically Kaput, through, and should either recreate themselves into another political party, or simply just disappear. Name the new party the “Conservative” party or even The Tea Party. In either case, giving everything to Obama is as foolish as jumping off of a mountain. Let the country go over the “cliff” Everyone will know this happened on Obama’s watch.
E-mail this to your Republican reps asap!
Why is it this isn’t generally understood by all? Well, all non-Progressive GOP types?
Better yet, conservatives should vote “present” in the House or abstain in the Senate, rather than cast negative votes – wouldn’t THAT really rub the salt in?
Dems and the media will discredit themselves in the process? Dude, I like your attitude… but that is fantasy. If the coverage and non-coverage of the last campaign didn’t totally destroy the media’s credibility, nothing is going to. Republicans need to stop expecting a superior argument to win. We’re trying to sway the uninformed and growing dependent class. Until they see that the free ride actually ENDS sooner with Democrat plans, they aren’t paying attention.
I could not agree more. If the problem is that we now have a majority so stupid they don’t know dems are leading them to hell, then doing everything to minimize the harm on the margins is counterproductive. Let them get what they are asking for, good and hard. Yes, it will be hell, but if we are going there anyway because that’s actually what the moron majority wants, why go slow? Let them actually taste it. There is no other way they will ever learn, so let’s get on with it.
The non-willing to work, who are his staunchest supporters anyway, will be the first to starve, because the willingness to work to better yourself, now a minority attitude, will always pay enough to at least keep you surviving. They can’t steal that. We won’t enjoy it, but we will live through it. Liberals will be the ones who don’t, and Darwin will win again.
A great approach. I’d like to see it happen.
The only flaw I see in this plan is that there are at least 62 million people to whom the facts don’t matter. Many conservatives, us among them, have been shouting the facts from the rooftops since 2008. We give Bam everything he wants and the economy craters, that same group of sheep are still going to blame the GOP for it and figure out a way to apologize for the Obama.
Giving in like they did in the 30′s and 40′s is not the answer. (Do we not learn from history?) We need to master messaging against this massive state media. We need to stop this massive welfare growth. When you add freebies with state media…no wonder the Dems destroyed us. Look…we have to tackle welfare AND messaging….until we do..we won’t win another election no matter how scr3wed up we are by the Dems. Freebies ALWAYS wins which is why we have to stop it now….this will show the voters pain. When they see the predicament Obama put them in, they will be flocking to the polls for jobs promised by the GOP.
This idea has merit except for one thing. The GOP members shouldn’t vote for the Democrats’ plan. Instead enough of them should vote “present” to allow it to pass with only Democrat votes. Some Republicans will vote no on general principles or future electoral concerns, but the Dems won’t be able to say the GOP voted for Obama’s disastrous policies.
A better option would be to make the following deal: Offer Obama
1.) Pass Bowles-Simpson. Then let the Democrats explain why they won’t pass the plan created by Obama’s own commission.
2.) Offer to let the Bush tax rates expire for the top two brackets AFTER Harry Reid’s senate repeals Obama care and Obama publicly pledges to sign its repeal.
3.) Just let the fiscal cliff hit. If the Clinton Tax rates were so fantastic, then let’s have ‘em for everybody.
4.) If we’re going to let the Dems have their way, there can’t be any GOP fingerprints on it. Show up, vote present, but DO NOT vote for the bill. Let the Dems pass it themselves. I’m not sure if this could be pulled off procedurally.
What I don’t see are the Republicans going on offense, and that’s a bad sign.
NO!!! The best thing for them to do is just go home, and spend the holiday with their families. Let the Bush tax cuts expire, let the sequestration cuts go into effect.
The Democrats do not believe the Republicans will let the fiscal cliff happen, so call their bluff. It’s actually pretty simple, Patty Murray has said she wants the fiscal cliff and she’s one of the leaders in the Senate budget committee.
Let the House put forth a plan for the Democrats to demagogue, then say no more unless the Senate passes a budget that can be reconciled in committee, period. Then, when the immoral media tries to blame you for it, tell them to go see Harry Reid and Obama and say no more.
Sounds great, but it would never work: The GOP had zero input on Obamacare, and still got and are getting all the blame for anything that has or will be wrong with it. Have we forgotten how Clinton got reelected by taking credit for the GOP’s fiscal responsibility, or how the Liberals convinced minorities that they were and are the party of “Equal Rights”?
I believe if the press and Democrats want to paint the GOP as rich, greedy, Caucasian omale-centric obstructionists the GOP should oblige them 1000%… and then tell people if they want to be just as successful as they are – rather than being handed a minimal existence advertised as “fairness” by equally rich Democrats – then they should consider the GOP (or at least less radical democrats).
Thanks for reading!
Pull an Obama on Obama. All Repubs vote ‘present’ on all bills Obama wants passed. Totally in his court. You’re right. When people make stupid choices they should be forced to live with the consequences. The rest of us will have to work harder, save more, buy less and survive the coming disaster. Then pick up the pieces.
GOP should vote present on everything Obama proposes.
No Pain, No Gain.
Let Obama do it his way..
Finally someone sees the light. If Republicans sign on to another meaningless compromise (strange isn’t it that it’s always the Republicans who have to abandon their principles to reach a compromise) they will have just once again given the Democrats bipartisan cover for whatever disaster their plan brings.
I understand the desire to do this, however two salient points remain.
Firstly, those of us on the ground that have voted against Obama and the Democrats, that have donated money, that have tried to sway friends/colleagues still care about the country. How can we sit idly by and just let a bunch of idiots ruin it? I know tough love is sometimes the only way but we’re not talking about a human being that can make choices but the greatest experiment in freedom ever, its just an idea. If we lose this, it doesn’t come back ever anywhere. We have to show that we still care and that ideas win the day. In the end, you’ll alienate your base and wither if the meme is to do whatever Obama wants.
Second, the GOP messaging problem is clear. The complicit media is biased beyond all comprehension. Those that see it, know it. The 51% that voted for Obama don’t see it and don’t care to acknowledge it. Your plan for pinning blame on Obama and the Dems seems to rely on that media now suddenly becoming unbiased and stating the facts even though we know it’ll never happen. The stories will never be “Obama and the Dems’ got everything they wanted and it still failed, so let’s go with the GOP”. The stories will always be “Bipartisan action on the economy failed, it must go bigger and bolder”. You’re handing the “bipartisan” chip to Obama without even a pinch of sanity.
There is no easy solution, but rolling over and playing dead is not going to help.
The problem is that in the next four years Obama will be proposing more than just one thing. Let’s say he proposes a new expensive, spending/investment rip-off scheme. When the republicans oppose that, Obama will say the GOP is standing in the way of his recovery plan. The “pin the blame” on Obama owning the fiscal cliff results will be long forgotten and blame on Republicans will be for opposing Obama’s recovery act.
I think all the tax cuts should expire. The lower incomes need to start paying for what they are voting for.
A ‘careful what you ask for’ approach. Schadenfreude would be sweet…if the country survived.
“Any attempts to claim the GOP influenced the bill …will be debunked by the facts.”
Who are we kidding? If facts alone could debunk incorrect thinking, Obama wouldn’t be in office anymore. No. They have to fight with everything they have. Turn over any bit of legislation they can, stall any more abysmal decisions, stonewall when possible. The only hope we have for recovery is for Obama to get mad enough and play dirty enough to make an obviously illegal move that allows him to be impeached or tried for treason. But if we let Obama implement his plan, there will be no turning back.
If your proposal includes extending the Bush tax cuts for those making under $250,000, something the Democrats are pushing, I’m on board because it will guarantee that the extra revenue will be minimal, blunting any meaningful deficit reduction from the tax side. It will also damage the economy because it will punish producers, something the Democrats will then have to own. Meanwhile, it averts the otherwise inevitable Republicans-are-holding-middle-class-tax-cuts-hostage-to-tax-cuts-for-the-rich narrative the media is already salivating to push.
Not only give them what they want, but give every citizen in the country a 1 billion dollar “thank you for being American” payment. Don’t raise any taxes, just borrow more, the morning that it passes, the country will officially be bankrupt, and we can start from scratch.
I agree, stop fighting, give them all the ask for and much much much more. After all, aren’t they the ones saying that we can easily afford to?
I agree except they should not vote for it at all. Just allow it to come up for a vote then not vote at all. Abstain. Let it pass with only democrat votes. THEN they can say they had nothing to do withit when it all goes to crap. Insist it be called “The We Told You So Fiscal Cliff Act of 2013.”
Yes, I had the same thought, but instead of voting for it, they should vote “present” or not vote at all.
I’ve been saying this for two weeks. From a Nov 8th email I wrote to friends:
“And here we are, fighting. Fighting hard to protect them from the evils of progressivism. But why? We’re not really protecting them from Obama, or Pelosi or Reid. We’re not even protecting them from an ideology. We’re protecting them from themselves. And yet, they’re adults, most perfectly capable of fending for themselves and being productive in society if such options were available. But they voted for this crap. They voted for a political ideology that places very low limits on their worth, and their ability to achieve anything beyond a minimal existence. We vote to protect them and we continue to lose elections.
“Now, I don’t have any data to back this up, but I get the feeling that every presidential term is worth roughly twenty years in terms of social engineering. Why? Because of the Courts. It’s the one area that is least opposed by the other side- judicial appointments. It’s an opportunity for minority-party Senators to claim bipartisanship. And many on the federal bench are probably worth 20 years or so of political decisions. The other side has mastered both the appointee process and the ability to affect political change through judicial activism. You want some controversial, progressive social program enacted? You introduce it in an area served by the 4th or the 9th Circuits. If it loses at the ballot box, it’ll likely still win in the Court of Appeals. It may take awhile, but that’s how important it is to get “the right” judges in place, and those judges come from the White House. They can be much more radical than the average politician and get half the scrutiny. And many have lifetime appointments.
“So while we continue to fight the good fight, protect those from themselves, and try to run honest and moral campaigns, they keep stacking the Courts. We can’t hold onto anything without the Courts, and we’ll never reverse the tide of social destruction unless we can stop judicial activism from enacting every crazy, left-wing, crackpot theory that is too tough to get by the average American voter. (Keep in mind that when the Courts overturn something like gay marriage that was voted down by the electorate, it becomes a little more mainstream and opposition becomes a little more difficult.) We have to take over the Courts. Which means we have to win the White House.
“And I think the electorate, with so many now dependent on the promises of the left, will be hard to win over if they never feel the pain. And we’ll still get blamed, even though we know we’re protecting them from themselves.”
They should not vote yeah to pass it. Just vote present. It was Obama’s way of doing things.
I agree. The Dems will not negotiate. Boehner and Mitchell need to stop grandstanding and say you guys won, you believe you have a mandate, but up a bill, and we’ll vote. You can’t negotiate with air and that’s what the Dems are offering.
Let the Dems have what they want with a well documented and publicized caveat – that the Republicans totally disagree with the Dems strategy of raising taxes and clearly define the predicted results. Make sure that everyone understands that it is a Democrat and ONLY a Democratic strategy. The Republicans need to wash their hands and back away. If the predicted results of higher unemployment and an ever ending downward economic spiral occur as expected the Republicans can try to pick up the pieces in 2 years with the next election.
Republicans cannot win a fight right now … THey will be blamed for everything. Let the Dems have their way and let the dire consequences occur.
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Agreed. Let the Dems own it and let America see.
I agree completely. If the GOP contributes even a single word to the deal they will be fully blamed for the consequences by the Democrat controlled media. These are the rules of the game.
The one I have for the GOP is to demand that the Democrat tax increases are used to restore the $716 billion cut from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. The dirty little Democrat secret is that they intend to kill Medicare because they need the money from Medicare to fully fund Obamacare and eventually get to single payer system. Democrats don’t care about Medicare any more because it becomes redundant with Obamacare and/or single payer. So the way to kill Obamacare and single payer is to preserve, protect and defend Medicare to the death. This will starve Obamacare/single payer. It would also be politically popular.
Obama and the Democrats have demagogued themselves into a corner. Even 100% tax rates on “millionaires and billionaires” won’t cover their deficits. So the GOP should agree to Democrat demands now. This will force the Democrats to come back for greater tax increases later. The one thing we know for sure is that Democrats will NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES cut spending. They can’t buy votes when they cut spending. So they will have to push for across the board tax increases at some point.
Why vote for it? Why not simply abstain and let it pass with all Democrat votes?
I agree! But the hard part may be insurmountable in our message-challenged party: “From the moment they pass the legislation Obama wants, they must be disciplined in pointing out that every failure of this new law to fix the fiscal and economic problems it was meant to fix was a Democrat / Obama idea.”
Better yet, give Zero what he wants BUT don’t vote for it. Is it possible to abstain from voting en masse?
Um, no. If 201 Republican House members and 193 Democrat House members vote for whatever it is, it will be called a bipartisan failure. It will be said for generations that Republicans used to support “common sense” legislation like tax hikes. It will be used to beat Republicans and shame voters for years to come.
Maybe a compromise would be to get 10 republican house members to vote for it, along with the 193 dems. Anybody want to find 10 suicidal congressmen who will be primaried and destroyed in two years? I didn’t think so.
The best year Republicans have had in a long time was 2010, thanks to the tea party. 2010 was the year after they dug in and were completely intransigent on health care–not a single vote for. They should do the same now. Dig in, tell Obama and the socialists HELL NO and fight tooth and nail.
Not that they’ll do that either.
Yes! It’s exactly what we should do. Tell those bastards, “You won! Now own it.”
But instead of voting for it …ABSTAIN. Vote Present. That’s all the cover you need.
We were the Party of No last time. Now well play nice, admit defeat …AND MAKE THOSE BASTARDS OWN THEIR LIES!
Vote present on whatever the Dems want, then go home, have a hot toddy, enjoy the family, and let it burn.
Call Obama’s bluff. Republicans should vote Present, let the Democrats negotiate with themselves and make it clear that Obama and the Democrats own this. I don’t think anything they’ll come up with will avoid a recession.
In addition to voting Present, the Republicans in Congress should immediately introduce a series of laws to raise taxes on the wealthy in a way that disproportionately impact wealthy Democrats. Start with eliminating the mortgage interest deduction on homes worth more than $250,000. That would affect California, New York, Illinois and Massachusetts, all blue states with high property values. Next we eliminate the federal deduction on state and local income taxes, which tend to be higher in blue states and Democratic dominated cities. Tax the investment income of university endowments and foundations, those tilt left as well. Tax trust funds – conservatives are more likely to make wealth, not inherit it. Restore the 20% tax on movie gross revenues that we had following WWII to pay down that debt, only extend it to all entertainment like music and video downloads, concerts, CDs and DVDs. Institute a 33% tax on trial lawyers’ contingency fees (lawyers like that 33% figure). Sell them all as soaking the rich.
Let the Democrats drive the country’s economy over the cliff. It appears that the only way to convince Americans that the Democrats will harm the country is to let them.
As a parent you know that sometime you have to let your kid touch the flame to learn that fire burns.
Only add…..don’t vote for it, just vote present. In this manner, you give the dems what they want, the dems can’t claim bipartisanship, repubs claim it is what the dems and America voted for and wanted….the dems get to own the whole thing. And yes, the repubs need to grow a spine and state, on message, all-the-time, we gave the president what he wanted, go ask him why it doesn’t work. But alas, my negativity takes over and I seek flying pigs……d#@$ the repubs, they can’t seem to play “hard ball” or have any “brass balls” for the life of them. For the repubs, they keep working on their AAMs – All About Me!
LET IT BURN!
Jim Whittaker
Hemet, CA
FINALLY. I’ve been preaching this since the election. No matter what the Republicans do, they will be blamed. Obama will say they didn’t cave enough or they were too interested in defending the rich or blah blah blah. The only way to educate such an illiterate populace is to provide a very in-your-face visual aid.
I wrote to my Republican congressman 2 days after the election and asked him to push for this same thing. One catch you didn’t mention is the Republicans will have to also be careful to deny any credit for any part of this that is or sounds like a good result. I think its time to test the principles … go all in and see what happens. If this works then the Republicans and conservatives in general need to adjust their political position. If it doesn’t help or damages our situation further then its time for the people who supported the Democrats to adjust their positions. Its obvious that President Obama will default to his standard position unless his plan is a glorious success … he will blame everyone and anyone to avoid being held accountable if he has any opportuntiy at all. We can’t give him that opportunity if we want anything to change.
As we say over at Ace of Spades: “Let it burn.”
cant the conservatives just abstain?
Why must they vote for it?
The only way the Republicans can avoid any blame is to do what Obama has done his entire career, vote “present”.
I too have thought along these lines and am highly sympathetic to this view. Where I get hung up is in the suggestion that Republicans vote FOR Obama’s ‘plan’. I can’t see my way past what IMO would be a fatal consequence; democrats and the media saying (over & over again) that Republicans are equally responsible, making the argument that since Republicans voted for it, clearly at the time they agreed, offered no formal alternative and are now trying to avoid responsibility…
I agree with the writer of this post. We can never get the truth out through the MSM. People will just have to experience the “benefits” of progressivism for themselves before they see how destructive it is.
Everytime we fight the left, we give them the out that “… it would have worked if not for the right …”
I agree with the sentiments of this blog, in reality, even if the Republicans caved on everything, and everything went as sour as it probably will, the media and the Democrats will still make excuses and blame the Republicans for something. They had control of both houses from Jan 2007 to Jan 2011 and super majorities from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011. They passed everything they wanted and somehow the economy is still blamed on the Republicans. They’ve argured that the reason the stimulus didn’t work was because it wasn’t big enough. They could have passed any amount of money, there was nothing to stop them. There’ll be no ownership of anything that goes wrong from that group and a media that will be all to willing to prolong the narrative that it’s all the conservatives fault. Unfortunately, too many people will believe that no matter how poor the economy does.
Actually, work it out so that you always have fewer no votes than yes votes and let the rest abstain.
I emailed my senator and Boehner two weeks ago and said this very same thing. Republicans will never win the PR battle if they oppose Obama on anything right now regarding the fiscal cliff negotiations. Let Obama have what he wants and he will own it completely.
PLEASE GOP – LISTEN this time.
Make MA0bama define “the rich”.
Make them (all the Marxists aka Democrat Party) DEFINE the tax rates and for who.
Make THEM write the bill.
Bring it to a vote in the House, wait till they all vote for it, and then EVERY Republican abstain from voting.
While I agree with the sentiment of the idea, it’s incredibly naive. The Democrat/Media Complex NEVER accepts accountability for the failures of liberalism. EVER. They can be so plain as to be self-evident, and they’ll still find some other direction to point the finger. And the most recent election shows the gullible American public buys their B.S.
You guys are crazy if you think that even voting “Present” will keep the GOP from getting the blame. The only way to avoid that is for the Republican.. sigh… “leadership” to start holding press conferences, explaining what’s happening and start calling Barrak Obama what he is- a manipulative piece of crap- and then explain what he is doing that makes him a manipulative piece of crap.
They won’t do this, of course and Republicans will continue to take the blame for everything bad that happens in this country.
Finally some one says what we are all thinking! I would add that the American people need to get what they asked for. Maybe next time they will educate themselves before voting. If only the Limbaughs and Levins of the world would get behind this idea. They still want to fight. It would be endless funny material for their shows.
EXACTLY. If we’re ever going to get anywhere, we have to give the Democrats exactly what they want and then make them own it. It will be ugly, but I’m convinced it’s the only way out of this mess.
California voted overwhelmingly for Obama, and they also voted for additional tax increases on themselves in the November election.
Democrats hold a supermajority in California, and now California Republicans cannot stop the California democratic legislature from approving any more additional tax increases on California citizens.
Tax payers and income producers are fleeing California in droves, leaving the state to the one third of the country’s welfare recipients who reside there, and the one third of the country’s illegal immigrants who reside there.
California has both the highest state deficit in the country and the highest personal income tax rate, has the second highest gas tax in the nation, and the highest sales tax rate in the nation. California is ranked the worst in the nation at job creation,has among the worst schools in the nation, and is ranked among the worst in business climate and retirement locations.
California and Obama’s Illinois are perfect social lab experiments on the results of complete democrat rule in this country, and if this country is stupid enough to elect this idiocy, they should be made to suffer the consequences.
The democrats and media will blame the Republicans regardless. Which lie will be the easiest to disprove? It will be the one that contains no nuance.
“We had nothing to do with that bill. The President and his party demanded it. The President and his party crafted it. The President and his party passed it. Republicans warned everyone it would be a disaster, and it is.”
Of course the Party Line media will blame the Republicans for anything bad that will happen as a result of allowing the Democrats to have their way with the budget fix. That is a given.
It is a no-win situation for the Republicans, but people will experience the pain of the Obama administration and the unemployment numbers and poor GDP performance can only be blamed on the party in power.
Couple that with the consequences of Obamacare implementation, and you’ll have a perfect storm for the Democrats.
First time at this website. I really liked this article. Let’s do it “The Chicago Way” for a change.
Tired of the fiscal cliff drama. I have a “make um all happy” proposal. Tax individuals over $250K at the clinton rates, $750K @ 50% and anything over $1M at 100 %. Exclude small business and keep them at the current rates. This should wet the pants of the pants of the punish the rich crowd, give the republicans a early chance to cave (which is what they do) and preserve the “small business jobs rhetoric.
Sounds like a plan to me. Oh and we should raise the min wage to $121 an hour so we can have more people at the $250K level to get revenues from to pay the 80% of the country that will be unemployed by it.
The Republicans are doomed anyway. The state controls the media, Hollywood, and most of the print media. They should let him have everything he wants. It would then be interesting to see what Obama does because he doesn’t expect this and in reality it’s never going to happen and he know’s it. If the Republicans do anything at all they lose and lose big. Give it to the man !
Glenn Beck was making this same argument a couple days ago, with relish.
I think your way off if you think the Republicans won’t get any blame. I seem to remember that even though no Republican voted Obamacare they still got blamed for it. The blame was that they did noting to help it – i.e. make it better. Obama will just go on another campaign trip around the world blaming them and the media will not be able to help itself in going along.
“Obama is willing to go over the fiscal cliff instead of giving on tax hikes because he knows the GOP will get blamed for whatever happens if a deal isn’t reached.”
Who cares? The election is two years away. No one is going to remember and vote on this, then.
Obama and the Democrats want to go over the cliff? Fine. Let’s go.
Oh, BTW, there will be no increase in the debt limit, either. Hello balanced budget.
When the Democrats get tired of running into the debt limit, and not being able to spend more that 18% of GDP, we’ll talk.
Congressional Republicans should pull an Obama and simply vote present on any legislation the libs bring up. Let the libs go crazy with spending and taxes. Then make the libs own it.
These spending and tax increases are going to happen eventually, and it’s better to get it over with quickly. Let’s get this cycle of economic destruction complete by the 2014 elections.
Agree re tax rates. Disagree re “everything Obama wants”. Best strategy is to do nothing but make nice sounds until Jan 1, then on the first day of the new session, pass the middle class tax cut Obama has emphasized, and stop. Announce you have compromised, you’ve given the President what he wants and you look forward to hearing further proposals from him about fixing the deficit. By doing this, we will lock in the spending cuts we want and the Democrats will no longer have the argument that the GOP just works for the top 1 %. It will set up 2014 perfectly.
they must be disciplined in pointing out that every failure of this new law to fix…
In other words, they and the media should completely change their spots so that this message gets out.
It contradicts everything you set up at the beginning of the article.
[...] The Link: They’re stuck in a no-win situation. The answer is simple: Give Obama what he wants. All of it. Don’t negotiate. Just say “Put your plan up for a vote and we’ll pass it. You will own everything that happens moving forward. We’ll do it your way.” [...]
[...] The Link: They’re stuck in a no-win situation. The answer is simple: Give Obama what he wants. All of it. Don’t negotiate. Just say “Put your plan up for a vote and we’ll pass it. You will own everything that happens moving forward. We’ll do it your way.” [...]
Look, here’s the bottom line. If the GOP does as suggested, Obama will still play the blame game as he’s done in so many incidents in the past. Nothing is ever his fault – and the media (NBC, ABC, CBS) will verify that. Speaker Boehner could hold a daily press conference from now until 2016 stating that the GOP had nothing to do with the package, and the media will still point to them as the cause.
We’re (America) is already in deep trouble. Obama doesn’t give a hoot one about increasing the debt to $20 trillion. He doesn’t care one bit about the constitution. He gives away our money at the drop of the hat for fulfilling his agenda (green jobs, schools and teachers, anyone who supported him. With the unemployment rate currently at 7.9%, and allowing Obama to “tax the rich”, those small business owners won’t invest in expansion, especially with ObamaCare lurking just around the corner.
The GOP should be our last point of defense against allowing Obama let America go by the wayside. There’ll never be a point where we’ll be able to recover from his spend, spend, spend agenda, and when the economy tanks, we’ll all be worse off. Allowing Obama to have his way will push unemployment up, our credit rating will again be lowered (though that might not be a bad thing – no more borrowing), stock markets will drop, businesses won’t expand, and if we thought the last recession was bad, this next one will be impossible to endure.
The GOP must stand strong now, because the entire future of the US economy hangs in the balance.
no matter what they do they’ll be blamed.
also it doesn’t help that they’re spineless
[...] Obama what he wants”. Senator Murray wants to take the dive along with other Progs. From the Examiner, “If the Republicans can’t see their way to significant additional revenues targeted toward the [...]
1. If you want to give Obama and the Dems whatever they want, vote present rather than in the affirmative.
2. Pass one bill to extend the tax rate for the highest bracket, and a separate bill to extend tax rates for all the rest. That way you don’t violate your pledge, but you also don’t allow Obama to say you let people’s taxes go up to help the rich.
I’ve thought the same thing this article says, but I bet it still wouldn’t work. Look to history for proof.
This is how all the Civil Rights Acts were written, only with the Republican and Democrat roles reversed. But if you ask most adults today, let alone teens, they would say Democrats were the champions of the Civil Rights movement, and that Republicans were the nay sayer racist.
We all know the drill by now. Obama campaigns to get people to pressure Congress to raise the tax rates on the “rich”, even though everyone knows that will produce a pittance, if at all. It will damage the growth of the economy, and when it does not work, Obama will have to reluctantly propose a tax hike on the middle class. After all, he knows, as well as Willie Sutton, that is where the money is.
[...] RB at The Right Sphere has the right idea about the fiscal cliff, something I and others have been saying since election day. A great post: We have to fight with the army we have, and right now we don’t have an army. Not in Washington DC, at least. There simply aren’t enough conservatives in positions of power to make anything that would actually work to fix the economy happen. Basically, it’s Paul Ryan and a couple dozen Congressman and Senators who have anything remotely close to a long term solution, but Ryan is the only one with a leadership position and he can’t do squat with Harry Reid as Majority Leader in the Senate. [...]
I agree as well. Let’s get this whole fiscal collapse thing over with and let the Democrats take the fall for it.
There are two things wrong with this “let them have it all and OWN it all, approach. The OWN it all won’t work. The MSM will still blame the GOP.
MORE IMPORTANTLY – 30 States have Republican Governors and the majority of the House of Representatives and 40+ members of the U.S. Senate, got elected by their constituents to oppose Obama Care and all the other bullspit Progressive Agenda.
We HAVE TO FIGHT OBAMA at every single opportunity. Its a matter of Principle – we are representing our constituents desires; Obama didn’t get a Mandate, he won by two percent of the vote. I cannot in good conscience refuse to fight.
Sure just give Obama whatever he wants, that won’t backfire or anything. Get real. If the GOP just gives Obama whatever he wants in regards to the fiscal cliff, then they also give Obama cover for the disastrous results. All the stories will be about how the agreement had “bipartisan support”. Take one guess who takes the blame for “bipartisan” failures (i.e. sequestration), I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t democrats. No matter what happens, the Republicans will take the blame. They might as well show some spine and negotiate something in return.
And what if Obama’s plan is approved without a fight & our fiscal & economic conditions actually improve? The DEMs will be laughing all the way to the bank and the REPs will look like leaderless fools.
So this will work? Republicans let Obama (or his Democrat elves–the people who did the liberal wish list stimulus plan) put up a bill, then THE REPUBLICANS VOTE FOR IT, and then when the economy blows up, the Republicans, WHO VOTED FOR IT, will then say “This was Obama’s plan and Obama’s fault”?
Does it occur to you that Obama can say, “This is what the Republicans voted for, and look what it did.”
How will a plan that Republicans passed get blamed on Obama?
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: “Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
First off, if the Democrats get everything they want and the economy takes off and everyone has free health care… then why were we fighting this to begin with??
Second: do the Republicans need to vote for this, or can they simply say, “We lost seats in 2012, therefore we will not interfere with the people’s will. Mencken was right: the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
As long as they withhold this acquiescence from any permanent changes (a la Obamacare), especially to election law, speech and guns, they should let the Dems jack up the debt limit and tax rates until the pips squeak.
Elections have consequences.
RB-
AMEN BROTHER!
[...] ENOUGH! The GOP Should Give Obama What He Wants | The Right … So what do they do? They're stuck in a no-win situation. The answer is simple: Give Obama what he wants. All of it. Don't negotiate. Just say “Put your plan up for a vote and we'll pass it. You will own everything that happens . [...]
Jesus, are you all so dumb you don’t realize that the Republicans aren’t afraid Obama’s plans won’t work? They’re afraid they WILL work!!! Do you really think they and they’re economic advisors haven’t considered what you all are saying?? Do you really think the Republican party is worried about whether you small timers have “jobs” or get your pathetic little tax breaks? They’re worried about the big guys and their HUGE tax breaks! They won’t hire without them they say, because why should hiring you cost them any money. Not that they would begin hiring anyway because we don’t have jobs now and haven’t had them for the past 10 years! Never mind the past 4 years. It’s just that it’s all come to a head in the past 4 years. Yeah, I agree with you guys, why not let Obama have what he wants. When it doesn’t work they’ll have a stronger argument and can then argue for their plan and reinstate those prescious tax breaks for the upperclass. Sounds logical doesn’t it? But they know better. What if Obama is right? What happens then huh? Then they lose you guys and they are terrified of that!
Dear Eileen,
I hope you realize that your little rant there exposes you as an economic, fiscal, and historical illiterate.
Thanks for commenting.
[...] with it since President Obama’s re-election. One school of thought is that the GOP should give President Obama and Democrats everything they want as a means to hold them accountable for the disaster that will follow because if no deal is [...]
You’re welcome Roast Beef! Look you can throw around insults when people disagree with you if you wish but that just means you’re arrogant and weak. Why have the Bush tax cuts not produced jobs over the past decade? I’ve heard it said that those who get them are “job creators” so where are the jobs. Apparently they feel they can get a better deal from the overseas slave markets than they can in the US. I mean people in the US want a living wage, imagine that? Now, I understand that, because if I were to open a business and could get away with hiring people at half what I would pay a worker here I’d do it. It’s just good business sense but I wouldn’t BS that if I got said tax break I’d hire more workers in the US! I’d pocket my tax break and continue the way it works best for my business! You know most US businesses hardly pay any taxes overseas either, despite the fact that the make billions of dollars in the countries they’re operating in. Anyway, I hope we go over the cliff. Obama tried to reason with Republicans in his first term and got treated like crap.
Now the Republican party reaps the whirlwind. Republicans out in “14!!
Just read your bio RB, all I can say is I listened for years to a conservative commentator in Boston named Jay Severin. He claimed to be a libertarian. He argued against Hilary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Deval Patrick and Barack Obama. He loved Rush and supported Mitt Romney before he ever ran for president the first time. I think he was a former advisor of sorts, if not in fact. Anyhoo, the stuff he said bordered on insurrection in my view. He argued we should keep Obama out of the whitehouse at any cost. I also used to listen to Michael Graham and Laura Ingraham. I enjoyed them at the time until they started to talk like insurrectionists. I’m sort of conservative but not to a fault. I want the best ideas. I don’t know what you’re background is but you sound like a working class guy. You also sound like a traitor to your own class. By the way, a president is defined by the circumstances of their presidency. The decisions made are usually the best that can be made under those circumstances however it leaves them. Jimmy Carter was still a better man than you ever will be. He was president of the United States. Ronald Reagan was no great president. He was an old hollywood actor with beginning altzeimers.
While I agree on Republicans giving Obama his tax increases giving him control of the purse strings would be national suicide.Obama want’s to do away with the debt limit and leave spending up to his discretion.This the Republicans cannot accept.So I say they should hold a press conference,announce that they will let Obama raise the revenue the way he want’s,by raising taxes.Once they have argeed to raising taxes the public will think Obama got what he wanted so if Obama choose’s to go over the fiscal cliff because Republican won’t give him Morsi kind of control the mess that ensues will be all Obama’s.
I can’t believe you people think that Obama and all the highly educated people around him don’t know what they’re doing. They and the Congressional Republicans, in fact all of the politicians in Washington know that there are 2 schools of thought on how to invigorate the economy. The Dems subscribe to one and the Republicans the other. Either can work. It just depends on the application. The president knows you won’t fix the economy or make a dent in the deficit with just taxes on the richest of us. He thinks though, as I do, that you don’t first go after what our working class ancestors fought and, in some cases, died for as the first step in solving our economic problems. The richest of us claim they deserve what they have because they worked hard to earn it but not all of them have. What about their relatives and kids? They’re also rich and they haven’t necessarily done squat. Think of all the relatives of the rich who are rich just because they can inherit it. They don’t necessarily create jobs either. I guess they’d like to have a new class created called “jobcreator class”. Those in the jobcreator class never ever have to pay higher taxes no matter what. Maybe they’d like it put into the constitution! Our ancestors left for the new world to escape from an established nobility. The rich paying higher taxes is just the beginning of a program which will include the reformation of entitlements. By the way, we don’t hear about everything that goes on behind closed doors in the government. Much of what goes on is ears only and eyes only stuff. What we get is like qualified gossip.
Some Republicans will have to vote to pass what Obama wants or the bill will not pass, and again the GOP will be blamed if the economy tanks cause everyone has $3200-3500 less money to support restaurants, shops, entertainment . That is 98% of us will have $3200-3500 less money to spend. That means businesses will receive $175 less per month from 98% of us ! Only 2% of the US population makes more then $250,000 and they pay almost the same as the rest of us do per movie or meal, so they cannot support the economy by themselves. Right now it is hard times for the poor and Middle Class. They cannot afford to have $3200-3500 less per year. Without the support of 98% of us, when businesses close, more people will lose their jobs. So support 98% of us and ask your Representatives/Senators to help pass a bill that will keep the tax rates of 98% of us at the present rate. Plus do you really want to have the poor and starving show up at your door cause their entitlements were cut off ? Mostly it is the poor or 98% that get entitlements. Plus if deductions(Mortgage taxes and interest) are cut on your Federal income tax, you will have to pay more taxes ! Obviously the rich are fighting hand and foot to make sure the poor and the Middle Class get stuck with the bill. And they have more money and influence in Congress to sucker the 98%.
Hi, Lolly…
Can you say 98% one more time? I don’t think you were able to truly express how you feel if you don’t say it at least one more time.
Hey Lolly, RB is quite a wise guy. Buckle up everyone, buckle up. : D
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] are growing rumblings from people on the right making the case for Republicans to “give Obama everything in he wants” with respect to the fiscal cliff negotiations. The theory being the economy will collapse, and [...]
[...] over the Sequester of Damocles, I decided to humor my Facebook friends by posting a conservative post-election take on A Modest Proposal: Also, if the GOP agrees to tax hikes in exchange for something else – [...]
[...] first I thought we should just give Obama everything he wants and avoid the fiscal cliff to live on to fight another day. Then I realized that everything Obama [...]
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