But… “To each according to his needs” and stuff.
Posted by RB in Blog on October 27, 2011 10:04 am / 50 comments
You almost have to laugh at the complete lunacy of the Occupy Wall Street movement sometimes. It’s either that or cry at how so many people could be so horribly misguided and misled by their parents and educators (and whoever else convinced them that socialism works).
Let’s recap: These people want to have a “true democracy” where everything is done by consensus and everything is “fair.” People volunteer to take varying roles in this “society” and since everyone is “equal” it all runs smoothly. Right?
They’re guided by a maxim:
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
In this Utopia, people who can work hard to provide for the collective do so. They’re happy to pick up the slack for those who cannot (for whatever reason). Everyone is equal. The people cooking the meals for the collective do so because others can’t. Other people do other things because they can. Others cannot contribute their labor, but it’s okay. They’re just not able. They need help and the doers provide it. At night they gather in the communal square and sing and dance. Life couldn’t be any better. Fairness at last.
Then there’s reality. (via The New York Post)
The Occupy Wall Street volunteer kitchen staff launched a “counter” revolution yesterday — because they’re angry about working 18-hour days to provide food for “professional homeless” people and ex-cons masquerading as protesters.
For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.
Oh my! Isn’t this exactly what people who know that socialism is a fraud have been saying?
The commune / society was living high on the hog with high quality food. Now everyone is “suffering” because moochers – i.e. those who cannot – are abusing the system. You can extrapolate that to any service. At first, everything will be high end, but eventually the doers get tired of doing because there are too many who will not. That’s the fundamental flaw of socialism in a nutshell. Will the Occupiers even notice? Doubtful.
Then we get to the other part of socialism socialists never want to acknowledge: It will inevitably lead to totalitarianism.
The Assembly officially approved the three-day menu crackdown announced earlier in the day — insisting everybody would be fed something during that period.
Some protesters threatened that the high-end meals could be cut off completely if the vagrants and criminals don’t disperse.
But… “to each according to his needs”?? What happened? Do the vagrants and criminals not comprise part of the “99%”? I mean, that’s who these protesters are protesting for, isn’t it? The poor, the downtrodden? The people who need a helping hand? Are these not the epitome of the oppressed who the Occupiers claim to be fighting for?
The “General Assembly” (aka the government), in order to address the problem of moochers, lowers the level of service for everybody. This was done by “consensus”, but surely not everyone uptwinkled the idea. What happens to the minority who believes that the high-end meals should be served regardless of the abuse by vagrants and criminals? Who speaks for them?
I’m sure they could start their own food service operation and continue to serve high end meals, but that would only keep the vagrants and criminals coming in. Other members of the society would probably opt to go get better food too which would eventually lead to more people going to the new food service operation instead of the original sources and the whole commune is back to where they started. Eventually, the high-end meals would cease. It has to. Human nature demands it.
In order to prevent these situations, the government – the General Assembly – must regulate every aspect of society. The people who start their own food service operation, for example, will necessarily be told to stop. Their individual desire to provide high-end food threatens the “common good” and must cease. The General Assembly has to be the only source for all of society’s needs. You can’t have independent producers. That’s totalitarianism.
This is why egalitarian societies don’t work. This is why socialism doesn’t work. This is why progressivism doesn’t work. This is why a pure democracy doesn’t work.
This is why Occupy Wall Street is destined to fail.
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Indeed. I think a bunch of well-intentioned tea partiers should move in and start serving the high-quality food that’s being unfairly with-held. We really do need to start actively screwing with these doofuses on their own turf.
Actually, I like the idea of a Tea-Party capitalist serving high-quality food to the OWS unwashed at whatever price the market will bear.
OWS has realized one fundamental truth: by serving brown rice and other spartan grub, folks will be eating much closer to the “needs” level rather than their “wants” level. No one at OWS “needs” organic chicken and spaghetti bolognese. None of those protesters (or the “professional homeless/ex-cons”) need iPhones, cameras or computers. Food, clothing, shelter: you “need” no more than that. When will the OWS commune meet its own needs–legally and morally, without donations from supporters? My guess is never.
You’re confusing the protest with a society. At the moment, the protesters are actively pursuing a goal. The goal is hindered when non-protesters take their resources then leave the protest and go back to their lives. With the limited resources the protesters have, they can’t afford to support the general society. Right now it’s about achieving a goal. You’ll catch on. And maybe it’s time you wake up too..
Very well done!
Welcome to the real world kids at #ows. This is why Socialism doesn’t work and why Capitalism is the best economic system in the World and why the US has the #1 economy in the World. Greed is good, Profit is Good, Innovation is good, Competition is good, Jobs are good and having a purpose in life is good. Go read about it – http://cosmoscon.com/2011/09/28/the-benefits-of-capitalism/
Hello Kevin.
I’m thinking of a phrase… it goes like this: “We are the 99%”
Now go back and read your comment and feel really stupid.
You say socialism inevitably ends up in totalitarianism. Like in Germany, France, Canada, Japan, Australia, England, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, New Zealand, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, Norway, Finland, etc. They all have higher socialism quotients than the USA (measured in universal health care, public education expenditures, pensions, unemployment benefits etc.) They also all have higher literacy, higher levels of post-secondary education, higher scores in math and science, lower infant mortality – all citizens have comprehensive health care, less poverty, less crime, and fewer prisons and inmates per capita than in the USA. Yeah socialism always ends in totalitarianism.
Hi Jerrod,
Did you see the part where I said services always start off well? Yeah, I guess you missed that part.
Also, do you always call baseball games in the fifth inning?
wow. you have a lot going on here.
1.you have some mean-ness/insecurity/ (exemplified by our nasty response to kevin. )and
2.for some reason you are very angry with OWS, which you don’t seem to understand, so
3. you havent done due diligence, so your opinion is not an informed one.which means
4. it isnt based on fact. inadmissable.
moving on:
Now, 49% of Americans said they understood the feelings of OWS. you are …aspiring to be the 1%, i figure. trying so so hard to fit in and be a capitalist. did you know- social darwinism is false? not just flawed: FALSE. you can google that, too, just like OWS interviews, et al.
your logic is flawed, in that you take an example of over worked exhausted humans and turn it into OWS supports socialist governwent? you use their good deeds as a weapon against them. i bet you say you are a ‘christian’, too, huh?
why do the tea party ppl so loathe the OWS? do you know- the occupiers have degrees, they have had jobs, homes, families. do you see the varying ages/backgrounds supporting this movement? it is NOT the chronically unwashed; it is the whole spectrum of america. why do you not attempt to identify instead of casting aspersions and being a meanie? i dont understand people like you. but i guess that is why we are headed toward a revolution. and brother, i am over 45, have worked all my life, have a master’s degree. and i am the 99% too.
oh i fully expect you to tell me i know nothing. people like you never cede a point or admit mistakes or look for commmon ground. you call finding common ground ‘socialism.’ this is another reason the revolution cannot be avoided.the chasm is too wide. it has to fail.
Hi, Jules.
Yes, OWS supports a socialist government. Nothing you babbled about changes that.
“At the moment, the protesters are actively pursuing a goal”.
Indeed you do!
That being of course wanting others to wipe your backside as you all clearly seem incapable of doing that on you own. And I’m being generous here because I could have gone with the whole public defecation, multiple reports of alleged rapes, destruction of property, pursuits of neo-marxism and anarchism, thing.
You’re anything but nonpartisan. You have ONE goal in mind – wealth distribution. That’s it. You cannot spin it any other way.
Something you should probably learn sooner rather than later — you CLEARLY do not speak for those of us in the 99%.
Know that. Learn that. Live that.
I AM THE 99% AND #OWS DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME!
“do you know- the occupiers have degrees”
We’re fully aware of this point.
We see all the clips where in one breath they rail on the bank bailouts and in the next they ask when their student loan bailout are coming.
Of course that irony is most likely lost on you.
I don’t have a problem with anyone wanting to live in a socialist society. As pointed out in the emails, there are lots of them in the world. Go there! we have enough socialist countries – USA is NOT one of them. We weren’t founded as a socialist society and the majority of Americans do not want socialism (hey – I think that’s kind of an idea promoted by democracy – majority rule).
btw, all the stats about socialism being so much better – I haven’t heard much about their very educated, degreed citizens inventing anything, solving any problems, digging themselves out of their economic hole, etc. Some are just not up to the challenge of living in a competitive world – anybody ever heard of Darwin?
Hi, Jerrod. I don’t think Scandanavia is quite as socialist as people think it is. Did you know that all those countries have lower corporate tax rates than the United States? Did you know that US taxpayers are subsidizing the production of Fisker Karmas in Finland? Did you know that Norway encourages, rather than discourages, oil production? Did you know that School Choice is a popular feature of education in Scandanavia (even though it is paid for through government)? Did you know that Sweden has about the same population as New York City, but that when NYC tried to move more toward Swedish-style welfare it quickly became a huge disaster in that diverse population? Did you know that the Swedish people recently voted in a government which is limiting some of the welfare state benefits the country is so famous for?
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We do not hate capitalism. We hate what has been done to capitalism, what it has become in this country. It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments. I think the ones advocating pure marxist governments are of the same cloth as the nut jobs in the tea party walking around with nooses for the black guy and loaded weapons. Only a small sliver of protesters want a marxist revolution. Just like only a small sliver of tea partiers are just there to spew bigotry and hate, right?
Check out what your ‘conservative’ congressmen have been doing in the last 20 years. The top 1% are doing great while the other 99% aren’t. Where are you?
I have an idea. Why does’nt the person who wrote this blog actually go to a GA and spend some time in Liberty Park. This blog is laughable. Turn off Fox news and get informed
PS It’s Direct Democracy!! You don’t even have correct terms in this trash talk.
Barry,
I’m doing fine, thanks for asking.
How does the rich being rich make you poor? I’m dying to know how that works. Explain it.
Shannon,
I’m allergic to patchouli. Also, I’m not a marxist.
“It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments”
Care to enlighten us on what those tweaks and adjustments would be?
“I think the ones advocating pure marxist governments are of the same cloth as the nut jobs in the tea party walking around with nooses for the black guy and loaded weapons”
Weapons? Oh you mean the AR-15′s at OWS Phoenix right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkE3GnsLF0w&feature=player_embedded
In all your hyperbole, you cannot defend the fact that in over one month there have been over 2,000 arrests by the lunatics of OWS. We can debate the merits of what your message was initially. Whatever message you did have has now been lost in the carnival like atmosphere that is the OWS freakfest.
So, 2000+ arrests in one month. Can you find me even 20 arrests from Tea party rallies over the past 3.5+ years?
ShannonRhea, I have an idea for you…!
Since the NYC OWS folks don’t seem to want to heed their own words as evidenced by the fact they refuse to feed the criminal and homeless element to their movement, why don’t you lead by example.
Go down to your local OWS protest and feed and clothe the less needy.
Be a rockstar and show the Zuccotti folks the true meaning of OWS. Or are you all bluster as well?
Hmm.
How to smear in 3 easy steps:
Step 1) Set up a false premise. “The majority of OWS protesters are socialists/communists that want to redistribute the wealth.”
Step 2) Attack the false premise. “OWS protestors don’t want to share! How ironic!”
Step 3) Congratulate yourself on being so very clever.
I support OWS. I don’t want my student loans forgiven by federal mandate. I don’t want free handouts. I’m a registered Independent voter who is tired of our morally bankrupt government pandering to corporate interests. I want to see Citizens United vs. FEC overturned. I want accountability. I want criminals to do the hard prison time that they deserve. I support OWS. I am the 99%.
Hi Rebecca,
If you support OWS, you support marxism. Whether or not you understand that is your problem.
Great piece. I read with some indifference the original story published earlier in the day, failing to notice the irony of it all. Yes, the menu certainly is very symbolic of how socialism and collectivism ultimately destroys.
TO those of you here that are bashing the blogger.
1. YOU ARE NOT THE 99% YOU CLAIM TO BE. The ACTUAL 99%’ers are too BUSY WORKING TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES to go out and look stupid protesting capitalism while making calls on their IPHONES, wearing Burkenstocks and drinking Starbucks.
2. IF were WERE part of the 99% then you too would be too busy feeding your families.
3. These fools that are crying about student loans, IT’S YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT you chose to study for years on a degree that you couldn’t possibly USE to make a living on. I went to college, a COMMUNITY College as I couldn’t afford a university and KNEW THAT FOR FACT and I went for a degree in something I KNEW I COULD USE TO MAKE A LIVING.
4. I had to work FULL time while I went to school to pay for things I needed such as FOOD for my wife and two daughters and took 16 credits so save your cry party for someone that gives a rat’s ass.
5. I NOW USE MY DEGREE IN THE FIELD I WENT TO SCHOOL FOR and work at Microsoft. With a community college degree, wow,what a concept huh?
6. It’s NOT our problem that YOU rung up so much debt due to your shortsightedness so why should WE pay for your stupidity?
7. You want to protest WHO is at fault here? PROTEST THE WHITE HOUSE. I will school you on WHY the economy crashed. You see, a fat cat that lives off the sweat of others named Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were placed in positions of power where they could use their influence to get things done and they did. They pressured Freddie and Fannie to make unsecured home loans to morons that KNEW they couldn’t afford them. The Banks, to save themselves from taking HUGE losses, then bundled these bad loans into securities and sold them on the open market. The open market knew nothing about these bad loans and thought they looked good. Then when the people could not pay back the loans when the time came, the securities tanked. Then the piper came knocking on the big door, the hedge managers couldn’t pay so they blamed the banks. The banks couldn’t pay so they blamed the homeowners, the homeowners couldn’t pay so they in turned, pushed blame back to the banks. In a viscous cycle, the REAL culprits of this got away scot free. BARNEY AND DODD AND THE REST OF THE DHIMMMI PARTY.
So, in essence, if you want to blame someone them by all means BLAME THE RIGHT PERSON! and quit being useful lemmings.
These OWS protestors are essentially Marxists — and I don’t understand why. Years ago I picked up on and wrote about the true purpose of Marxism. It amazes me how many people just don’t get it… or just don’t want to.
http://www.piratereview.com/review/146
The most likely interpretation of this story was that some understanding remarks were made during the meeting of the General Assembly over the kitchen people’s unilateral decision. Nobody ever makes the claim that a non market-based distribution of resources would suddenly erase every conflict that might occur over distribution. It’s obviously a complex problem. That doesn’t mean that we should shut our brains off and just give stuff to the highest bidder. You seem to have no point other than to play some immature gotcha game and claim the nya-nya trophie. The OWS people are beyond that sh*t and are trying to come up with solutions.
HELLOO!!!!
The POLICE Department, the FIRE Department, and the DMV are also SOCIALISM!
Wake up! Learn the definitions of words!
Make no mistake — you might be taking sides, but the Occupy movement isn’t.
We’re working for ALL of the 99% (which includes you AND me) — our ONLY opponent is the 1% who control DC.
We are NOT going to be forced into ANY partisanship or divisiveness.
You may be entrenched in your outdated partisan positions, but we are NOT.
We represent ALL of the 99%, and we’re NOT being forced into taking sides.
Again, to be clear: our ONLY opponent is the 1% who control DC.
Hi Rob,
Police, Fire, and DMV are not, in fact, “SOCIALISM.” They are basic government services. They don’t produce anything. Socialism is where, for example, the government controls the means of PRODUCTION. You know, like a food service.
Also, there’s medication available for your paranoid delusions. Ask your doctor for help.
HI Orzo.
You’re funny. Delusional. But funny.
Anyone else notice how the detractors in the comments here don’t want to address the fact that the OWS protesters are claiming to be “the 99%” but it doesn’t include criminals and vagrants?
What are the protesters going to do when people stop giving them handouts? Follow their tweets: “we need this; we need that.” Meanwhile they toil not, nor do they spin. They’re essentially charity cases, and that gets old after a while. I’m unemployed too, and so are a lot of people who are riding out the economy by doing what we can without burdening fellow Americans. We work. We get help from family and friends. We make do.
I don’t blame the rich for my misfortune.
That way lies despair, and I just plain refuse to go down that road.
Good Article. But, the real problem with OWS is in the comments, there is no message. They may or may not be socialists, they may or may not be capitalists. They demand a better…something, but can’t seem to define it. Their “goals” are not grounded in reality, entirely divorced from any solutions. There are already groups and individuals in our society who are fighting to correct exactly what ows is protesting. The difference is they have plans, ideas, solutions, not just a list of gripes. The saddest part is that many of their complaints would be addressed by embracing conservative values, but they have been brain-washed to believe only GOP’ers are the responsible for corporate “greed” and “corruption.” Smaller government means more liberty, less ability to oppress, less ability to protect corruption, less ability to foster cronyism, less ability to direct taxpayer money into the pockets of the “1%.”
It is amazing thata the OWS crowd has the hubris to believe that the #1 economy in the world needs help from people who just graduated from college and haven’t worked a real job. Why not get some experience before you tell us what we are doing wrong?
But then again, the longer you guys are on TV the worse you look and, more importantly, the worse liberal policies look. Failed Liberal policies (which impacted our youth’s education) are the reason so many have gathered to try and destroy the one system (capitalism) that gave them a charmed childhood full of cell phones, ipods, video games and laptops.
HAHA, you dork. Capitalism is not fit for human consumption. It is not socialism that ends up being totalitarianism it is Capitalism that has, as its driving force, the notion that they should have the total market in any given market. True Capitalism strives for monopoly> Totalitarianism.
Capitalism is dead get over it. It is time to give up Wall St. as the financial capital of the world. Some other countries have better ideas than Ayn Randian me, me, me self-serving, childish mentalities that is the core of Capitalism. And the OWS movement is PROOF positive that Capitalism has failed. Otherwise, Capitalism, with all its supposed “goodness” should have cornered the market easily if it was so good. It is not, it strives to kill your neighbor for the sole sake of your profit.
Oh and as for ENTITLEMENTS,it is the CAPITALISTS who feel entitled. Entitled to make a profit. We are entitled to make a profit the morons were recently saying…NO you are “entitled” to start a business to TRY and make a profit. No one ever said you were ENTITLED to a profit. See how sick Capitalism is?
The ants always win. We will crush you.
Hi ThisInstead,
You’d be 100% correct if there weren’t centuries of human history to prove you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Would much appreciate a link to OWS protestors actually carrying a sign that says “To each according to his needs”, as opposed to something like “No more corporate bailouts”, which the Right used to call for until OWS took up that mantra too.
Spaghetti bolognese and goat cheese infused salad….wow, I can’t remember when I had the luxury if being served such a nice meal for free. If they can’t live on brown rice, they have obviously never been truly in need, awaiting food rations delivered by their govt or by ours. Nor, have they ever served in the military where the food rations are often carried on their back. If the OWS supporters on this thread support “socialism” by supporting fire and police, then why are the protestors feigning injury and looking for claims of police brutality…also, waving signs and chanting f#ck the police?
You see, the supporters are blind to the truth in the fact that if they acknowledged that we live in one of the most prosperous and charitable countries in the world, they wouldn’t have a country to hate. If they/u in this thread revere other countries, move and try to become a citizen somewhere there….OH yeah, you basically can’t. Citizenship is impossible in switzerland if you are not born there, or it takes years of hard work and scrutiny. Ask me, I know. Also, in Switzerland there is zero illegal aliens, err excuse me, undocumented immigrants, so in essence, the tax dollars you pay have a direct and greater return on your investment in services u receive. Get it? Probably not, so just keep screaming how much the USA sucks from the keyboard of your Mac.
If the OWS were indeed Marxists they would be feeding the poor.
@JohnA: or they would be more like Michelle Obama making demands that we need to do and wont for less and that we are to share a bigger portion of our pie while she dives head first into dirty Martinis, French red wine, Lamb chops, and finishing off with a chocolate soufflé…all being paid for by the the taxpayer. It’s so easy to spend other people’s money and Socialism works until u run out of other people’s money.
@thisinstead: so Steve Jobs should just have given all of his devices and technology for free? Ford Motors…free cars? Starbucks…free coffee? Your a useful idiot. Enjoy.
Of course capitalism is working. Our environment is being cared for, nobody goes hungry or gets shafted by oil companies. 90% of big ocean predators have not been fished off, fish stocks will be back to 100% by 2050, the Amazon doing better than ever, the children of Afghanistan do not mind living in abject poverty if it means that Lockheed Martin and Boeing get to make millions. I have learnt to enjoy the fact that every act of consumerism I undertake is negatively impacting on other human beings. Embrace it, because nothing else works.
I think there are a lot of protesters in the #OWS movement who advocate a socialist economic system, but the big gripe seems to be with the bribery, fraud, corruption, and ongoing currency debasement that has left honest, hard-working Americans without jobs and has robbed them of years worth of equity they’ve built up in their homes.
Hi, Emma.
You think a socialist system wouldn’t contribute to pollution? Do you think socialist countries don’t have hungry people?
The biggest polluter on the planet is a communist country. You blame capitalism for all that when socialist countries are contributing even more to the very problems you listed.
You’re a moron.
Hi, Jason.
You’re almost there. The protesters are, ironically, capitalizing on the very real frustration about the current state of our economy. And many people feel they’ve not been given a fair shake. But their solution is marxist. Don’t kid yourself.
This is breathtakingly ignorant. Come to another country and see what other “socialistic society” is like and thinks of the US…not very much at all. Throw people out of their homes by ruthless banks and local law enforcement, stupendous greed shown by the 1% at the cost of the rest, bailed out by a government duped by “experts”, more stupendous greed yet again by the same 1%
Pension funds plundered by the same 1%, excellent example of capitalism…unattainable by the same 99%. Hey…lets have a war!
Keep the peasants busy and in the mire…forever!!
Keith in Seattle: Interesting take you’ve got on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, blaming the Democrats for the whole thing. Here’s the truth: Both parties were responsible because members of both parties were making scads of money from that system. In the 2005-06 Congressional session…which, by the way, was when we had a Republican president with a Republican Congress…there was a move to form a committee to reform FM/FM. The committee formed and nothing else happened; the reform efforts were left to slowly wither and die. Under the Republicans’ watch. As for the rest of that particular explanation, it sounds like what you’re calling for is more regulation of those industries, and no more bailouts, both which are exactly what OWS wants too. So you DO have something in common with the protestors!
Dave, you should think more. Given that the Dems have NEVER nominated anyone who failed to go to law school since 1980 on either the top or bottom of the ticket, you might come to realize that they want a system where you game the system.
RB I dont know how you can keep arguing with these folks. Geez!!!! OWS is pissed I get that part, I dont get how in God’s name do they think that the isms they want to replace capitalism is going to work out. America was not founded to be mediocre. That is all I really see out of these folks. They are perfectly content with mediocrity and they dont even want to work for that beyond some books. Life is bitch and if you dont work hard and your not real bright it is even harded. When we turn our rights and liberties over to gov. we get what we deserve which will be misery. If they took every damn dollar from the so called 1% it would fund that beast for 45 days. If they took it from everyone who makes 250k & above a year it would fund it for about 6 months. Math is hard kinda like the truth it hurts. Eutopia doesnt exist!!!!!
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Imma talk about stuff I don’t understand.
Derpa derpa.
Vote Ron Paul if yer a TREU American. That’s what he told me!
Oh, and look at everything outside of historical context because obviously the perfection of capitalism is sufficient to account for the fact that it destroys itself with a major recession every decade and has a major meltdown every 50 years!
Derp it up! Oh, Socialismos don’t understand that human nature isn’t to be decent; actually it’s human nature to shoot people in the face and shiit on their corpse.
People wanting to be nice to each other? Nope, never happened. NGOs? Communist sentiment? Economic freedom? Never heard of any of it. Just tax the fukc out of me to bail out the place I keep my paycheck for a week before I gotta pay my bills because they spent my pay check fucking me over for a mortgage on a house that I could have afforded if other companies didn’t lay me off if we hadn’t hit this decade’s major recession.